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Unread 06-25-2010, 02:24 AM   #1
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Default F3 Not Covering on Pickoff

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If F1 makes a move to first and the first baseman is behind the runner (not covering the bag) and F1 throws to F3 in this position, is it a balk. If yes, is the reasoning here 8.05d?

Consider the same scenario, but after the pitcher begins to make his move to first base the F3 in a non-obstructing way sneaks in and moves to cover the bag and makes a play on the fielder. Still a balk?

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In your first case, it's a balk.

In your second case, it's not.

When a pitcher "in contact" makes a move to 1B, he mus throw and make a legitimate play. If the F3 is legitimately attempting to make a play as he receives the throw (umpire judgement), he is legal.

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CoachJM is correct. I'd like to add that the ball must be thrown to the vicinity of the base.
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CoachJM is correct. I'd like to add that the ball must be thrown to the vicinity of the base.
Are you saying that if R1 has a 15 ft lead and F3 sneaks in behind him, F1 cannot make a pick off throw from the rubber to F3 who is also 15 ft from 1B. As long as he steps to the base I think he can throw where ever he wants if there is a legitimate play.
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Are you saying that if R1 has a 15 ft lead and F3 sneaks in behind him, F1 cannot make a pick off throw from the rubber to F3 who is also 15 ft from 1B. As long as he steps to the base I think he can throw where ever he wants if there is a legitimate play.
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Are you saying that if R1 has a 15 ft lead and F3 sneaks in behind him, F1 cannot make a pick off throw from the rubber to F3 who is also 15 ft from 1B. As long as he steps to the base I think he can throw where ever he wants if there is a legitimate play.
Correct. No balk. It is also not a balk if he throws to the base and the fielder is nowhere near it.
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Are you saying that if R1 has a 15 ft lead and F3 sneaks in behind him, F1 cannot make a pick off throw from the rubber to F3 who is also 15 ft from 1B. As long as he steps to the base I think he can throw where ever he wants if there is a legitimate play.
That is why i mentioned to you to purchase the DVD. Check out tha store. And Dash_riprock is correct. Hope that this helps you.
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Get the DVD. Best money you'll spend if you're wondering what is and isn't a balk.
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