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Unread 12-14-2008, 02:22 PM   #1
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Default This is always good for the newer umpires

Lets see how some of our new to umpiring members would call this.


RHP straddles the rubber, with R3. F1 now leans toward the plate looking in to the catcher with his glove on his knee and the ball at his side. R3 takes a nice lead, and F1 stands straight up and picks him off.


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Unread 12-14-2008, 03:02 PM   #2
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Are his hands coming together as he stands up and or does he stop...? Need more information...
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Unread 12-14-2008, 04:56 PM   #3
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Are his hands coming together as he stands up and or does he stop...? Need more information...
Don't read anymore into the question.

RHP straddles the rubber, with R3. F1 now leans toward the plate looking in to the catcher with his glove on his knee and the ball at his side. R3 takes a nice lead, and F1 stands straight up and picks him off.

You can assume that F1 did nothing more than keep his glove hand at his side coming off the knee to his theigh, and he makes no stop - just throws. His feet stay where they were.
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Well I will give it a shot.

I have an out. The pitcher was not engaging the rubber.
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Well I will give it a shot.

I have an out. The pitcher was not engaging the rubber.
The objective was to see if you think this is a balk or not.
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Lets see how some of our new to umpiring members would call this.


RHP straddles the rubber, with R3. F1 now leans toward the plate looking in to the catcher with his glove on his knee and the ball at his side. R3 takes a nice lead, and F1 stands straight up and picks him off.


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As he leans in: "Time! Hey pitch, you have to be engaged when taking your signs."
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Default Re: This is always good for the newer umpires

I'm a newer umpire and I'll give it a shot. It' not a balk but I agree with Rich and call "time". If I'm wrong, I'd rather be wrong now and get corrected than be wrong on the field.
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As he leans in: "Time! Hey pitch, you have to be engaged when taking your signs."
That's great, Rich. I'm glad you finally decided to start umpiring some games. Any ideas on what you'll buy for gear this Winter?


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Well I will give it a shot.

I have an out. The pitcher was not engaging the rubber.
Why would you have an out?
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He has an out because there was no balk so the pick-off is good. Rich, Please don't start the on the rubber/off the rubber argument here. It's 300+ posts on another board.
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He has an out because there was no balk so the pick-off is good. Rich, Please don't start the on the rubber/off the rubber argument here. It's 300+ posts on another board.
Michael,

I dont understand where the argument could come from? From what I have always been told, the pitcher should be in contact with the pitchers plate when taking his signs. However I have not heard an explanation of how to rectify the situation at the time of the problem.
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He has an out because there was no balk so the pick-off is good. Rich, Please don't start the on the rubber/off the rubber argument here. It's 300+ posts on another board.
Don't get the situation confused.

It's not about where or when he gets the signs.

It's about where he has to be when he appears to be taking signs from the catcher, which is the situation in the OP.

According to the BRD: It's a "Don't Do That" in OBR. In NCAA it's a ball (unless the batter and all runners advance safely), and FED it's a balk or a ball.

Roder in "100 Problems" suggests that for the first offense call time and direct the pitcher to correct his actions.

NO ONE says to let the pitcher get away with it.
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Don't get the situation confused.

It's not about where or when he gets the signs.

It's about where he has to be when he appears to be taking signs from the catcher, which is the situation in the OP.

According to the BRD: It's a "Don't Do That" in OBR. In NCAA it's a ball (unless the batter and all runners advance safely), and FED it's a balk or a ball.

Roder in "100 Problems" suggests that for the first offense call time and direct the pitcher to correct his actions.

NO ONE says to let the pitcher get away with it.
Not by rule but certainly by practice. The purpose of the rule is to prevent a quick pitch by the pitcher. As long as the pitcher isn't acting like a pitcher off the rubber(coming set) or stepping on and pitching(quick pitch) then just use your catcher to correct it or use the BU.
The NFHS site has a 300+ thread that should have been about six posts. http://www.nfhs.org/cgi-bin/ultimate...;f=10;t=001547
Other than a don't do that you are grabbing an ugly end of a sztick.
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