Pickoff at 2nd, how do you call it?

fan01 · 07-15-2008, 12:45 PM

Pickoff try at second base, the runner gets back to second base standing up, the shortstop coming in, behind second base, has to reach around the runner, standing on second, to catch the throw. The shortstop, after catching the ball, is off balance and leans on the runner, the runner falls to the ground with the shortstop and comes off the base. The shortstop applies the tag from the catch to the ground.
What is the ruling on this play?

_bobby_ · 07-15-2008, 01:01 PM

safe (obstruction)
place the runner where u think he would have got without the obstruction being there.
i.e. 2nd base..

bobjenkins · 07-15-2008, 01:56 PM

Legal play (just a train wreck). The out stands.

Tim_C · 07-15-2008, 02:07 PM

It is simply a baseball play: "Out!"

Regards,

rhoffer21 · 07-15-2008, 02:15 PM

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The shortstop, after catching the ball, is off balance and leans on the runner, the runner falls to the ground with the shortstop and comes off the base.

If the ss forces him off the bag call him safe.

_bobby_ · 07-15-2008, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by bobjenkins

Legal play (just a train wreck). The out stands.

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Originally Posted by Tim_C

It is simply a baseball play: "Out!"

Regards,

did i misread the sitch?
runner steals 2nd succesfully.
the ss forces the runner from 2nd off the base (no intent), tags him on the floor, and you call out?

am i missing something?

GoodCallBlue · 07-15-2008, 02:25 PM

Safe.

Dano · 07-15-2008, 02:30 PM

HTBT

Did F6 contact the runner in the realm of the play, i.e., moving to the ball and the contact is incidental... OUT.

If F6 forcibly moves runner off bag.. then it is safe.

Tim_C · 07-15-2008, 02:35 PM

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" . . . did i misread the sitch?"

Evidently.

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" . . . runner steals 2nd succesfully."

You misread . . . it was a pickoff at second.

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"the ss forces the runner from 2nd off the base (no intent), tags him on the floor, and you call out?"

As I read the OP this play is the exact same play of the Kent Hrbek/Ron Gant play.

I would call the out as the OP is just a trainwreck as Bob pointed out.

Regards,

ExCop · 07-15-2008, 02:51 PM

HTBT, but if I have the SS shoving the runner off his base, then trying to make an out of it, I have nothing. Safe at second.

Of course, baseball could be a lot more "interesting" if we started making runners defend their bases like strategic, military checkpoints

BrianC14 · 07-15-2008, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ExCop

HTBT, but if I have the SS shoving the runner off his base, then trying to make an out of it, I have nothing. Safe at second.

Of course, baseball could be a lot more "interesting" if we started making runners defend their bases like strategic, military checkpoints

You mean like "Capture the flag" or "Stratego" ?

ExCop · 07-15-2008, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by BrianC14

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Originally Posted by ExCop

HTBT, but if I have the SS shoving the runner off his base, then trying to make an out of it, I have nothing. Safe at second.

Of course, baseball could be a lot more "interesting" if we started making runners defend their bases like strategic, military checkpoints

You mean like "Capture the flag" or "Stratego" ?

No, I was thinking more like Tae Kwon Do or kickboxing

_bobby_ · 07-15-2008, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Tim_C

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" . . . did i misread the sitch?"

Evidently.

Quote:

" . . . runner steals 2nd succesfully."

You misread . . . it was a pickoff at second.

Quote:

"the ss forces the runner from 2nd off the base (no intent), tags him on the floor, and you call out?"

As I read the OP this play is the exact same play of the Kent Hrbek/Ron Gant play.

I would call the out as the OP is just a trainwreck as Bob pointed out.

Regards,

jup - misread. missed the "got back to second". thx

still have trouble seeing the a runner safe, then knocked off his base from an action caused by the SS, then tagged for an out.

if the runner wasnt already safe on base and the action was part of the fielding then sure. but the sitch states that the runner was already safe on 2nd.

could lead to lots of intresting situations tho.

07-15-2008, 12:45 PM	#1
fan01 Newbie Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 1 Rep Power: 0	Pickoff at 2nd, how do you call it? Pickoff try at second base, the runner gets back to second base standing up, the shortstop coming in, behind second base, has to reach around the runner, standing on second, to catch the throw. The shortstop, after catching the ball, is off balance and leans on the runner, the runner falls to the ground with the shortstop and comes off the base. The shortstop applies the tag from the catch to the ground. What is the ruling on this play?

07-15-2008, 02:07 PM	#4
Tim_C All-Star Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PDX Posts: 731 Rep Power: 46	Ahem . . . It is simply a baseball play: "Out!" Regards,

07-15-2008, 02:51 PM	#10
ExCop Crew Chief Join Date: May 2007 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 988 Rep Power: 40	HTBT, but if I have the SS shoving the runner off his base, then trying to make an out of it, I have nothing. Safe at second. Of course, baseball could be a lot more "interesting" if we started making runners defend their bases like strategic, military checkpoints __________________ "The thing I hate about an argument is that it always interrupts a discussion." - G. K. Chesterton

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07-15-2008, 01:01 PM	#2
_bobby_ Rookie Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 60 Rep Power: 16	safe (obstruction) place the runner where u think he would have got without the obstruction being there. i.e. 2nd base..

07-15-2008, 01:56 PM	#3
bobjenkins All-Star Crew Chief Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 2,462 Rep Power: 151	Legal play (just a train wreck). The out stands.

07-15-2008, 02:25 PM	#7
GoodCallBlue Rookie Join Date: May 2008 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 67 Rep Power: 14	Safe.

07-15-2008, 02:30 PM	#8
Dano Crew Chief Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 1,121 Rep Power: 47	HTBT Did F6 contact the runner in the realm of the play, i.e., moving to the ball and the contact is incidental... OUT. If F6 forcibly moves runner off bag.. then it is safe.