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Unread 03-07-2018, 03:38 PM   #14
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Not even close...the answer is foul. We have already taken this test and confirmed the answer. Yes, someone should be out...but the answer that has someone out is also incorrect as it places two outs, not the one...

The only answer that is completely correct is foul ball. Yes, the runner would be out on the INT...but it would still be a foul ball on the batter...

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You were saying?!

See also 8.4.2 B
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The reason this is a foul ball and not interference is that the runner (R3) *in contact with the base* cannot be guilty of interference if he accidentally prevents a catch. That's why they said "accidentally." If R3 were not "at the base" then it wouldn't matter if the R3's action was accidental or intentional.

Don't confuse this with the casebook where the runner has taken a lead (i.e. is off the base) and contacts a fielder as he tries to return to third base. That's interference regardless of intent.

In summary: casebook ruling is very different than the test question.

None of the other answers can be correct.
I understand your logic, but the question says, "runner AT third base", not "ON third base".
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You were saying?!

See also 8.4.2 B
The runner is out on the INT...the batter is not out. Since there is no question stating such the only answer that gives a partial answer is foul ball. Because in the end, a foul ball strike will be added to the count on the batter...

We have taken the test here and that was the answer we had to pass...although I note Ken had differently.

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The runner is out on the INT...the batter is not out. Since there is no question stating such the only answer that gives a partial answer is foul ball. Because in the end, a foul ball strike will be added to the count on the batter...

We have taken the test here and that was the answer we had to pass...although I note Ken had differently.

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So there are two correct/incorrect answers!

You answered A and got it correct, others answered B and got it correct, and FED got em both wrong.
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The runner is out on the INT...the batter is not out. Since there is no question stating such the only answer that gives a partial answer is foul ball. Because in the end, a foul ball strike will be added to the count on the batter...

We have taken the test here and that was the answer we had to pass...although I note Ken had differently.

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Something has got to be different between the answer keys in Hawaii and Arizona. Everybody here who answered 'A' got it wrong. Everybody who answered 'B' got it right. Go figure....
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At our weekly preseason meeting last night, that question was up on the screen. The OSAA has indicated that none of the answers are correct, that NFHS has also acknowledged the same, and there's another question with a wrong answer. The question about whether face protection worn by a fielder must meet NOCSAE standards. The correct answer should be that it only needs to be non-reflective (and even that answer is bizarrely worded again this year). Face protection is not required by rule, so they can basically wear whatever they want.

The OSAA (Oregon) has indicated that if a test taker got an 88-89 and missed one or both of those questions, their scores will be brought above 90 (for playoff eligibility) and if they got a 73-74 and missed either or both, their scores will be raised to 75 so they will be varsity eligible (can't imagine we'd want anyone umpiring a varsity game who got a 75, but that's not my call).

So, it appears the "correct" answers to both questions have been acknowledged as being "incorrect" at least here in Oregon, but it sounds like NFHS has also acknowledged the same to the folks that matter in Oregon.
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At our weekly preseason meeting last night, that question was up on the screen. The OSAA has indicated that none of the answers are correct, that NFHS has also acknowledged the same, and there's another question with a wrong answer. The question about whether face protection worn by a fielder must meet NOCSAE standards. The correct answer should be that it only needs to be non-reflective (and even that answer is bizarrely worded again this year). Face protection is not required by rule, so they can basically wear whatever they want.

The OSAA (Oregon) has indicated that if a test taker got an 88-89 and missed one or both of those questions, their scores will be brought above 90 (for playoff eligibility) and if they got a 73-74 and missed either or both, their scores will be raised to 75 so they will be varsity eligible (can't imagine we'd want anyone umpiring a varsity game who got a 75, but that's not my call).

So, it appears the "correct" answers to both questions have been acknowledged as being "incorrect" at least here in Oregon, but it sounds like NFHS has also acknowledged the same to the folks that matter in Oregon.
Great, those are the only 2 I got wrong.
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A foul ball is the only answer that is partially correct. The runner is out for the INT...the only way you can grab two outs is, as stated in the OP, a DP is prevented.

The only answer is foul ball...how B can be the correct answer is beyond me.

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A foul ball is the only answer that is partially correct. The runner is out for the INT...the only way you can grab two outs is, as stated in the OP, a DP is prevented.
Mike.... in two sentences you declared answer B to be not even "partially correct", and then proceeded to describe a scenario where answer B would be wholly correct.
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Default Re: NFHS test question

We had our county association rules clinic today. The presenter, who I admire greatly and who is a member of the national rules committee, started out his presentation by saying "before anyone asks me, the answer to #89 on this year's test is E none of the above". LOL
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[quote=mturman;206428]Foul ball...we had this as well...once you deduce the answers that aren't correct, the only one remaining that is even partially correct is "foul ball."

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Mike: We had the same question on the test that we were given and I marked (A) "foul ball". that is the only logical answer to be given since none of the others even come close. to what the question was asking.

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