appeal

[retired]

In high school ball, on an appeal play, say runner misses second base and is standing on third. Outfielder throws the ball into the shortstop, shortstop then says we want to appeal that the runner missed second base. Does the defense then have to tag the runner on third, or tag second base? Or is that verbal request enough?

[mtlion55]

NFHS rules allow for a dead ball verbal appeal

[KenGibes]

Rule 8.2.6 covers this.

It depends if it is a live ball or dead ball appeal. (High school allows dead ball appeals.)

If the ball is live, the runner must be tagged or the base he missed or left early from must be tagged, along with the verbal component of the appeal.

If the ball has become dead for some reason, the defense can make the appeal without touching the runner or the bag.

[bobjenkins]

Originally Posted by retired

shortstop then says we want to appeal that the runner missed second base.

"Time. I'm sorry -- what did you say?"

[typikon]

So in FED, if the ball is dead they can just announce, "he didn't touch 2b".

But if the ball is live, can't they just also announce it? Otherwise, they could just ask for Time and then make their (announced) appeal.

[bnumpire]

Originally Posted by bobjenkins

"Time. I'm sorry -- what did you say?"

That is about the easiest way to handle it.

[shickenbottom]

Originally Posted by bnumpire

That is about the easiest way to handle it.

Huh???

If you're doing your JOB, and you know the runner missed the base and the defense makes a "Legal Live Ball Appeal", Bang the out! Why call time. It's a waste of TIME.

Yes, NFHS does allow the dead ball appeal, however, they also allow the "Live Ball Appeal" just like every other rule set. Honor the rules as written and do your job.

[socal lurker]

Originally Posted by shickenbottom

Huh???

If you're doing your JOB, and you know the runner missed the base and the defense makes a "Legal Live Ball Appeal", Bang the out! Why call time. It's a waste of TIME.

Yes, NFHS does allow the dead ball appeal, however, they also allow the "Live Ball Appeal" just like every other rule set. Honor the rules as written and do your job.

Er, the point from bob and bnu is that the requirements are different for live and dead ball appeals and that verbal appeals can only be made when the ball is dead. You can't bang an out from a verbal appeal while the ball is live.

[bobjenkins]

Originally Posted by typikon

So in FED, if the ball is dead they can just announce, "he didn't touch 2b".

But if the ball is live, can't they just also announce it? Otherwise, they could just ask for Time and then make their (announced) appeal.

They would have to ask for time, and time wouldn't be granted (or an appeal considered) until all the baserunning action, including any awards, was completed.

[shickenbottom]

Originally Posted by socal lurker

You can't bang an out from a verbal appeal while the ball is live.

Yes, you can bang an out from a Verbal appeal while the ball is live.

How you ask? Well lets see.

1) You saw the runner miss the base, so you did the 1st part of your job.
2) The defense saw the runner miss the bag, so they've done the 1st part of their job.
3) The defense throws the ball to either the SS or 2nd baseman who steps on the bag with the ball and declares, "X Runner missed the bag", now they've done the 2nd part of their job.
4) You, the umpire, allways alert and keeping your eyes everlastingly on the ball have watched the throw, watched the fielder step on the bag, and have "Listened" (this is the key here) to the verbal appeal by the Fielder. Now, you the umpire must do the 2nd part of your job. Point to the runner who missed the bag, and bang 'em out.

There are two points here that the umpire has to recognize and do. What are they?

"Watch the ball, glance at your runners", and most importantly, "Open your ears and listen to the game".

[Rich_Ives]

Originally Posted by shickenbottom

Yes, you can bang an out from a Verbal appeal while the ball is live.

How you ask? Well lets see.

1) You saw the runner miss the base, so you did the 1st part of your job.
2) The defense saw the runner miss the bag, so they've done the 1st part of their job.
3) The defense throws the ball to either the SS or 2nd baseman who steps on the bag with the ball and declares, "X Runner missed the bag", now they've done the 2nd part of their job.
4) You, the umpire, allways alert and keeping your eyes everlastingly on the ball have watched the throw, watched the fielder step on the bag, and have "Listened" (this is the key here) to the verbal appeal by the Fielder. Now, you the umpire must do the 2nd part of your job. Point to the runner who missed the bag, and bang 'em out.

There are two points here that the umpire has to recognize and do. What are they?

"Watch the ball, glance at your runners", and most importantly, "Open your ears and listen to the game".

You are just reinforcing the basic point - on a live ball appeal you must tag the base or the runner - you just can't bang the out.

[KenGibes]

Originally Posted by shickenbottom

Yes, you can bang an out from a Verbal appeal while the ball is live.

How you ask? Well lets see....

You are confusing the terms "verbal appeal" and "verbal component of an appeal."

A verbal appeal is only recognized when the ball is dead.

The verbal component of an appeal is required on some live ball appeals. When the ball is live, a relaxed-play appeal may be made by the defense. This requires both a physical and a verbal component. An exception to this is during a live-play appeal (i.e., not relaxed action). In this case, a verbal component is not required if it is clearly obvious to the umpire that an appeal is being made. The most common type of this appeal is when a baserunner was moving on a pitch and the batter flies out. The runner then tries to get back to the bag before the ball arrives there to double him off. No verbal requirement on these types.

At the plate, a live-play appeal requires the runner to be tagged if he is trying to return to touch the missed plate. If the runner is trying to return, a verbal component isn't required and F2 can't simply step on the plate to make the appeal.