BOO in the book

[mmp1]

Originally Posted by yawetag

I've never put the two together and realized it would be against the rules for that person to tell their coach of a BOO.

It was always my opinion that if one of the team scorekeepers is designated as the official scorekeeper for the game, then, for the purposes of this rule, that scorekeeper is really two people. The _official_ scorekeeper can't say anything about BOOT but the _team_ scorekeeper can (and should). IMHO

[yawetag]

Originally Posted by mmp1

It was always my opinion that if one of the team scorekeepers is designated as the official scorekeeper for the game, then, for the purposes of this rule, that scorekeeper is really two people. The _official_ scorekeeper can't say anything about BOOT but the _team_ scorekeeper can (and should). IMHO

And how exactly is a scorekeeper going to be two different people at the same time? You expect them to be the "official scorekeeper" and not say anything to their coach, yet be the "team scorekeeper" and tell him? At what point in this paradox does the switch occur?

[socal lurker]

Local PONY rule keeps the scorekeeper out of this quandry, including in the responsiblitiies of the scorekeeper:

4. For baseball, notify the manager concerned if an ineligible player or an improper batter is about to be used in the game, but the failure of the scorer to do so has no effect upon the rules.

Gets to just let the kids play and don't penalize adult mistakes . . .

[yawetag]

Originally Posted by socal lurker

Local PONY rule keeps the scorekeeper out of this quandry, including in the responsiblitiies of the scorekeeper:

I read that as dealing with substitutes that are ineligible, not a BOO situation.

[mmp1]

Originally Posted by yawetag

And how exactly is a scorekeeper going to be two different people at the same time? You expect them to be the "official scorekeeper" and not say anything to their coach, yet be the "team scorekeeper" and tell him? At what point in this paradox does the switch occur?

The official scorekeeper sits quietly and says nothing while the team scorekeeper alerts the manager. They just happen to be occupying the same body and writing in the same book. There is really no paradox. Now, if you were to see two PhDs walking down the hall, you would say, "Now there's a pair 'a docs"

[heyblue26]

A scorekeeper is there to kept score is that not correct? So they shouldn't say anything IMO. If the coaches are paying attention of what is going on during the game then they are the ones whom should catch the batting out of order right? Its not the scorekeeper's job but it does happen.

[mturman]

Originally Posted by heyblue26

A scorekeeper is there to kept score is that not correct? So they shouldn't say anything IMO. If the coaches are paying attention of what is going on during the game then they are the ones whom should catch the batting out of order right? Its not the scorekeeper's job but it does happen.

100% correct brother...In fact, locally here in Hawaii the SK is often a member of one team or another...I make it a point to remind them that during the course of the game, they work with me, not the teams...Most recognize and understand that...Some have a hard time being impartial...

During non-competitive play, it's a whole different ball game...

Aloha,
Mike

[semper_fi_72]

Here is a BOO for you.
LL Junior Game.
1 Out no runners.
#10 is suppose to bat, but #7 is at bat and gets a hit.
Manager address issue with me.
#10 declared out (2nd Out) and #7 returned to hit.
#7 gets another hit and becomes R1.
#10 comes to bat instead of the proper batter after #7 and gets a hit.
Manager comes out to discuss with me again.
Two BOO in the same inning and a Manager who knows exactly how to let it play out and one who is clueless about tracking his batting order.

[KenGibes]

Originally Posted by semper_fi_72

Two BOO in the same inning and a Manager who knows exactly how to let it play out and one who is clueless about tracking his batting order.

In my experience with LL Juniors around here, a Manager who knows how to handle the situation when the other team is BOO is a rarity. Usually if the manager actually catches the BOO he comes running out to appeal after the first pitch is thrown to the BOO batter and is upset when he doesn't get an 'out' out of the situation.