BOO in the book

[KenGibes]

Originally Posted by kyle_jt

Fellas, I'm sorry I didn't make myself clear. I know exactly what the umpire does in these situations. I was just wondering what the scorekeeper writes down in the book.

For example: A BR gets walked, then gets called out for BOO. The correct batter is called out, but this same guy has to hit AGAIN. How does the scorekeep handle that? Does he erase that whole AB, move it to the correct batter with a BOO (or BOT) note? Or, do you move over a column?

I answered that above:

If the OOO situation is caught and appealed, you got to use the pink end of your pencil to straighten out the book accordingly.

[kyle_jt]

Okay, to the wrong batter hits a double, but is called out. But, he's the next, correct batter. Where to you put that double, and out? I mean, the correct batter can't credited with AB, but he's out. So you erase the wrong batters double, and just put BOO in the proper batter's box?

I just want to be able to explain it to our scorekeepers (No, not as an umpire, but as a league official).

[bobjenkins]

Okay. FIrst inning. Batting order is Abel, Baker, Charlie, but they bat Abel Charlie (skipping Baker). In all cases, Abel grounds out to short, Charlie doubles.

Before the appeal (or if there is no appeal).

Abel: 6-3
Baker: (blank)
Charlie: 2b
Daniel: (pending entry).

After the appeal:

Abel: 6-3
Baker: TSTBWIYT*
Charlie: <erase>2b</erase> (pending entry)

* = Too Stupid To Bat When It's Your Turn

[Rich_Ives]

Originally Posted by kyle_jt

Okay, to the wrong batter hits a double, but is called out. But, he's the next, correct batter. Where to you put that double, and out? I mean, the correct batter can't credited with AB, but he's out. So you erase the wrong batters double, and just put BOO in the proper batter's box?

I just want to be able to explain it to our scorekeepers (No, not as an umpire, but as a league official).

If the batter hits a doublea nd is put out do you think he's goiing to then walk to the plate and bat again sans an appeal?

If there's an appeal the double and out never happened. Erase it. Mark the proper batter out for BOO, and continue on.

[Rich_Ives]

Originally Posted by bobjenkins

Okay. FIrst inning. Batting order is Abel, Baker, Charlie, but they bat Abel Charlie (skipping Baker). In all cases, Abel grounds out to short, Charlie doubles.

Before the appeal (or if there is no appeal).

Abel: 6-3
Baker: (blank)
Charlie: 2b
Daniel: (pending entry).

After the appeal:

Abel: 6-3
Baker: TSTBWIYT*
Charlie: <erase>2b</erase> (pending entry)

* = Too Stupid To Bat When It's Your Turn

I suspect that the higher levels it mostly happens because the lineup handed the umpire doesn''t match what the coach posted in the dugout. Still stupid but it's not the batter that's stupid.

[bobjenkins]

Originally Posted by Rich_Ives

I suspect that the higher levels it mostly happens because the lineup handed the umpire doesn''t match what the coach posted in the dugout. Still stupid but it's not the batter that's stupid.

Agreed. IT's mostly a joke and a way to teach the ruling to newer umpires who get confused over who should be out.

[heyblue26]

Originally Posted by bobjenkins

Agreed. IT's mostly a joke and a way to teach the ruling to newer umpires who get confused over who should be out.

Thanks Bob

[johnnyg08]

Originally Posted by Rich_Ives

If it's the official scorekeeper such notification is forbidden by rule.

I'm sure the "hands are part of the bat" mom knows those rules.

Let's keep it real...if they notice, they're going to say something. Seriously folks.

[yawetag]

Originally Posted by Rich_Ives

If it's the official scorekeeper such notification is forbidden by rule.

If the official scorekeeper is the girlfriend of one of the players on the home team, is she supposed to keep quiet, too?

[Rich_Ives]

Originally Posted by yawetag

If the official scorekeeper is the girlfriend of one of the players on the home team, is she supposed to keep quiet, too?

If she's designated as the official scorekeeper - Yes. It's forbidden by rule. If you'd open Rule 10 you'd find out who the official scorekeeper is and the rule that says they can't reveal a BOO. If you've never opened Rule 10 then in this particular instance you're no different than the coaches you deride for not knowing the other 9 rules rules.

Eject her if she spills the beans.

[Rich_Ives]

Originally Posted by johnnyg08

I'm sure the "hands are part of the bat" mom knows those rules.

Let's keep it real...if they notice, they're going to say something. Seriously folks.

The "habds are pert of the bat" Mom probably isn't the official scorekeeper. The team scorekeeper can broadcast it on the internet and Fox news. Any fan in the stand can yell it out. But the umpires and the OFFICIAL scorekeeper cannot. Toss them if they do. Seriously.

[yawetag]

Originally Posted by Rich_Ives

If she's designated as the official scorekeeper - Yes. It's forbidden by rule. If you'd open Rule 10 you'd find out who the official scorekeeper is and the rule that says they can't reveal a BOO. If you've never opened Rule 10 then in this particular instance you're no different than the coaches you deride for not knowing the other 9 rules rules.

Eject her if she spills the beans.

I was seriously asking. I've perused Rule 10 and have even read before the scorekeeper isn't supposed to tip someone to BOO. I've also known that in most situations, the home book is the "official" book, and that book is usually camped out in the home dugout. I've never put the two together and realized it would be against the rules for that person to tell their coach of a BOO.

However, that's a dirty stick I don't think I'd ever grab.

[johnnyg08]

Originally Posted by yawetag

I was seriously asking. I've perused Rule 10 and have even read before the scorekeeper isn't supposed to tip someone to BOO. I've also known that in most situations, the home book is the "official" book, and that book is usually camped out in the home dugout. I've never put the two together and realized it would be against the rules for that person to tell their coach of a BOO.

However, that's a dirty stick I don't think I'd ever grab.

Totally agree. I don't do many ESPN games.