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Dano 02-12-2010 12:48 AM

NFHS Exam 1: Needing some help
 
Richard (or any other moderator) if this is inappropriate please delete thread with my apologies.

I am not looking for you to give me an answer but I am requesting a "nudge".

The wording on two questions has me concerned.


Section: Force Play

#17. For a given runner, a force play ends as soon as he touches the next base.

This is partly true. If he retreats the force is reinstated. Should I be in any way worried about "what if he retreats" when answering?





Section: A Pitcher and a Pitch

# 52. A pitch ends when the pitched ball comes to rest.

This is a true statement. Page 21 of the rule book. Section 28 Article 4: B

However, there is statement A, C, D, and E. that also is included in this article.

Should I take into consideration the other parts of Article 4 in determining a correct answer?

CoachJM 02-12-2010 01:03 AM

Re: NFHS Exam 1: Needing some help
 
Dano,

#17. I'd go with True. You obviously understand the rule.
Plus, the test statement is a verbatim "clip" from the rule book.

#52. Since the statement is true, I'd go with True. If the word "only" were in there, I'd go with False becuase of the other conditions you refernce.

JM

umpjmb32 02-12-2010 02:06 AM

Re: NFHS Exam 1: Needing some help
 
Dano-- Check the book on both... You'll find the exact wording on both questions...

JB

BrianC14 02-12-2010 04:34 AM

Re: NFHS Exam 1: Needing some help
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dano (Post 101690)
Richard (or any other moderator) if this is inappropriate please delete thread with my apologies.

I am not looking for you to give me an answer but I am requesting a "nudge".

The wording on two questions has me concerned.


Section: Force Play

#17. For a given runner, a force play ends as soon as he touches the next base.

This is partly true. If he retreats the force is reinstated. Should I be in any way worried about "what if he retreats" when answering?





Section: A Pitcher and a Pitch

# 52. A pitch ends when the pitched ball comes to rest.

This is a true statement. Page 21 of the rule book. Section 28 Article 4: B

However, there is statement A, C, D, and E. that also is included in this article.

Should I take into consideration the other parts of Article 4 in determining a correct answer?

One thing about a True/False exam: if you start adding situations and other considerations to the statements, then you're putting yourself in jeopardy of getting it wrong.

#17 doesn't ask about retreating, so you shouldn't be concerned with a runner who retreats.

#52 asks about a pitch that comes to rest. It doesn't ask about other issues about when a pitch ends (for example, one that is caught by the catcher). Answer the question (T or F) based only on the information provided.

Dano 02-12-2010 03:35 PM

Re: NFHS Exam 1: Needing some help
 
Well..

I have been "whacked" a couple of times due to being tripped up by the wording so I wanted to be sure.

Thanks for the replies all.

BrianC14 02-12-2010 04:06 PM

Re: NFHS Exam 1: Needing some help
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dano (Post 101728)
Well..

I have been "whacked" a couple of times due to being tripped up by the wording so I wanted to be sure.

Thanks for the replies all.

I always hate the ones that use absolutes... "never"... "always".... :twisted:

Dano 02-12-2010 04:39 PM

Re: NFHS Exam 1: Needing some help
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BrianC14 (Post 101732)
I always hate the ones that use absolutes... "never"... "always".... :twisted:

Hmmmm....

I would love for all of them to be that way. :)

MCLEOD36 02-24-2010 12:02 PM

Re: NFHS Exam 1: Needing some help
 
Just try not to read to much into the questions. As for always and never..... I LOVE THEM...

loulou 02-24-2010 01:11 PM

Re: NFHS Exam 1: Needing some help
 
How about Must an Should?Tricky Fed

BrianC14 02-24-2010 03:38 PM

Re: NFHS Exam 1: Needing some help
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by loulou (Post 102237)
How about Must an Should?Tricky Fed

Yeah, or "shall".

"Shall if he wants?" "Shall if he doesn't?" ;)

I found Part 1 question numbers 20 and 91 interesting...

heyblue26 02-24-2010 09:06 PM

Re: NFHS Exam 1: Needing some help
 
Yes some of the questions that they ask and you're reply is like you are on the game show jeopardy and you missed the question because you didn't use the word (must or shall) in your answer.


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