Clarification please

[lusciousjd]

Using NFHS rules: R1, 0 out, BR gets base hit to RF, R1 rounds second, fails to touch 2nd, and heads to 3rd. While he is on his way to third, before touching 3rd, the RF throws to the SS who is standing on 2B. The defense does not declare that the runner missed 2nd base and the SS does not indicate he is trying to make an appeal, he is simply standing on 2nd base with the ball. Is R1 out for failing to touch 2nd?

[Solsaa]

Using NFHS rules: R1, 0 out, BR gets base hit to RF, R1 rounds second, fails to touch 2nd, and heads to 3rd. While he is on his way to third, before touching 3rd, the RF throws to the SS who is standing on 2B. The defense does not declare that the runner missed 2nd base and the SS does not indicate he is trying to make an appeal, he is simply standing on 2nd base with the ball. Is R1 out for failing to touch 2nd?

In your sitch, R1 is not out. There are no accidental appeals. All appeals must be obvious to the umpires. I believe that there is a case book play that incorrectly says this type of play is legal.

[johnnyg08]

Solsaa is correct. The appeal even in FED, must be obvious. Simply standing on the base with the ball means nothing. If they say "he missed the base" ask them "who missed the base?" They say R1 or whatever so you know who they're talking about, then call him out.

On a caught ball where everybody in the stadium knows that the runner left early and they're appealing 1B and it's obvious to everybody, that does not need to be verbalized.

[lusciousjd]

That was my thought exactly, but I think the guy I was discussing this with had a different perspective, so lemme ask this. Forget about appeals, does the fielder simply with possession of the ball while touching a base missed by a baserunner put the runner out? This is what he was telling me.

If I seem anal about this, forgive me. I'm just starting HS this year.

[yawetag]

Solsaa is correct. The appeal even in FED, must be obvious. Simply standing on the base with the ball means nothing. If they say "he missed the base" ask them "who missed the base?" They say R1 or whatever so you know who they're talking about, then call him out.
In this situation, it's possible that R1 was the only one that touched second. I think we can all agree that it would have been obvious which runner he was appealing when he said "He missed the base."

[Rich_Ives]

I seem to remember FED having an accidental appeal (a real accident like the OP, NOT the umpire-calls-it-no-appeal-necessary-rule) at one time but it was eliminated.

[Richard_Siegel]

8.2.6 SITUATION F: With R1 at first, B2 hits a double into right center, sending R1 to third. However, R1 misses second base. F6 is standing on second when he catches the throw from the outfield. He then throws the ball to the pitcher. RULING: Although R1 missed second, no call will be made by the umpire because F6 did not make an intentional appeal of the missed base.

[Rich_Ives]

8.2.6 SITUATION F: With R1 at first, B2 hits a double into right center, sending R1 to third. However, R1 misses second base. F6 is standing on second when he catches the throw from the outfield. He then throws the ball to the pitcher. RULING: Although R1 missed second, no call will be made by the umpire because F6 did not make an intentional appeal of the missed base.

That's NOW. NO argument. But I think there was a THEN.

[Pete_Booth]

Using NFHS rules: R1, 0 out, BR gets base hit to RF, R1 rounds second, fails to touch 2nd, and heads to 3rd. While he is on his way to third, before touching 3rd, the RF throws to the SS who is standing on 2B. The defense does not declare that the runner missed 2nd base and the SS does not indicate he is trying to make an appeal, he is simply standing on 2nd base with the ball. Is R1 out for failing to touch 2nd?

The answer has been given BUT it depends upon what state you are from.

I believe South Carolina STILL uses the old FED appeal rules meaning in effect there is NO appeal. The umpires call the runner out on missed base infractions and the "accidental" appeal is still in effect.

As with many FED rulings you need to check with your state.

Example: here in New York we did not adopt the mercy rule (except for modified) and there are NO CR's.

Pete Booth

[hotsam34]

That's NOW. NO argument. But I think there was a THEN.

Rich - I think this is the one you are talking about - I think it is universally agreed that this is NOT valid anymore...

8.2.3 SITUATION: B1 hits a slow roller to F5 and arrives safely but misses first base. F3 catches the ball with his foot off the base and casually steps on first base, though he believes the runner has beaten the throw. RULING: B1 is out. Because a force play is being made on the runner and is the result of continuing action, F3 is required to appeal the missed base and does so by stepping on the missed base.

[Ozzy]

I seem to remember FED having an accidental appeal (a real accident like the OP, NOT the umpire-calls-it-no-appeal-necessary-rule) at one time but it was eliminated.
Yes, FED rules did at one time allow accidental appeals.
The Casebook play was ground ball gets by F4, R1 missed 2nd base and held at 3rd. F4 takes the throw from the outfield and kicks 2nd base in disgust. Runner is called out on appeal.
I think this was pulled by the FED in 2000.

[dash_riprock]

On a caught ball where everybody in the stadium knows that the runner left early and they're appealing 1B and it's obvious to everybody, that does not need to be verbalized.

The appeal only needs to be obvious to the umpire.