Things the pros don't need to know

[Richard_Siegel]

Every year when I begin my class to train new umpires to become HS certified I like to stress a point that I first learned from Jim Evans. Jim often says at the beginning of his clinics that he would be a terrible HS umpire because he has no clue about the many rules we HS umpires have to learn that professional umpires don't have to learn. Rules like malicious contact, re-entry, courtesy runners, ....etc.

This time I would like to compile a comprehensive list of all the rules/skills that an umpires working games under NFHS rules must know that professional umpires don't have to learn. Maybe I could put together an interesting handout for the class about it. Can you help me do this?

Don't give me rules that are enforced in both FED and Pro differently, like balks. Just give me rules that professional umpires (minor or major league only) don't need to learn but we high school umpires do.

I'll start it off with three ....



malicious contact
re-entry
courtesy runners


Any more?

[heyblue26]

I will add three more.

1. Team Warnings
2. Mercy Rule
3. Inadvertent Call

[Richard_Siegel]

Throat guards!

[heyblue26]

Throat guards!

Great question also are your players protected?

[jaxrolo]

What about the number of visits to the mound?

And on a potential double play the runner going to second must slide directly into the bag or give himself up.

[heyblue26]

Here are some more things

1. Wheelchairs
2. Crutches and other mobility devices maybe used by coaches while in coaching box.
3. Wearing jewelry & Bandana
4. *Tobacco or tabacco like products
6. Removing batting helmet deliberately.

#4 *Does apply to the National Association Umpires and MLB Effective June 15 1993. both instituted this policy. Clarification?

[Richard_Siegel]

What about the number of visits to the mound?

And on a potential double play the runner going to second must slide directly into the bag or give himself up.

The number of visits is a rule in both both umpires need to know. It's just different.

But the Force Play Slide Rule is a good one! Thanks!

[jaxrolo]

The number of visits is a rule in both both umpires need to know. It's just different.

But the Force Play Slide Rule is a good one! Thanks!

Good point.

[yawetag]

Bat/helmet inspection

[cookie22]

Concussion that leads to momentary unconsciousness;
Blood spill during play;
Protective fielder for pitcher/catcher warming up in foul territory;

[jaxrolo]

Every year when I begin my class to train new umpires to become HS certified I like to stress a point that I first learned from Jim Evans. Jim often says at the beginning of his clinics that he would be a terrible HS umpire because he has no clue about the many rules we HS umpires have to learn that professional umpires don't have to learn. Rules like malicious contact, re-entry, courtesy runners, ....etc.

This time I would like to compile a comprehensive list of all the rules/skills that an umpires working games under NFHS rules must know that professional umpires don't have to learn. Maybe I could put together an interesting handout for the class about it. Can you help me do this?

Don't give me rules that are enforced in both FED and Pro differently, like balks. Just give me rules that professional umpires (minor or major league only) don't need to learn but we high school umpires do.

I'll start it off with three ....



malicious contact
re-entry
courtesy runners


Any more?

Will you please post the list once you compile it?

Thanks

[oneeyedump]

how about restricted to the bench and or dugout

[dash_riprock]

Rules for playing with 8.

[heyblue26]

This seems to be getting better and better.

Face Mask attached to batting helmets or players in the field?

Hows about casts, splints and braces?

Runner dives over a fielder?

[dnemeth4809]

mercy rule

[heyblue26]

mercy rule

Double entry on this one previously mentioned.

[dnemeth4809]

I will add three more.

1. Team Warnings
2. Mercy Rule
3. Inadvertent Call

Whoops there it is! My bad Hey Blue completly missed it .

[johnnyg08]

Bullpen catcher must wear a mask.

If the assistant coach gets ejected, head coach is restricted to the bench

[shickenbottom]

Illegal Substitutions

[Richard_Siegel]

Illegal Substitutions

Professional umpires also need to know about Illegal Substitutions too. If a player enters a game who has already been in the game and withdrawn, is non-rostered, ejected, or suspended it it illegal.

[Pete_Booth]

[QUOTE=Richard_Siegel;116580]

Don't give me rules that are enforced in both FED and Pro differently, like balks. Just give me rules that professional umpires (minor or major league only) don't need to learn but we high school umpires do.

Richard IMO, in order to have a comprehensive list you need to include those rules that are enforced differently.

A perfect example is appeals. In HS unlike OBR the defense does not lose it's right to appeal if a play is being made and it's the offense who initiated the action. A PRO umpire does not have to worry about that. Then there is the Dead ball appeal.

Therefore, while you asked specifically for rules that a PRO umpire does not have to worry about IMO, you need to include those rules that are applied differently.

SLIDE Rules - For the most part in PRO ball non existent. In FED there is a list as to what constitutes an illegal slide.

Interference rules - In general in FED the position of the runners (EXCEPT on a FPSR) is TOI in PRO ball it's TOP.

OBS - in FED no type A or Type B. The runner is automatically awarded a base beyond his position at the time of the OBS.

In FED there is no "weak interference" as defined by JR in OBR.

We can go on an on. The point is in order for the list to be comprehensive one MUST include those rules that are enforced differently.

Also, the Mechanics are some-what different. In OBR you do not have to worry about the FPSR. In FED for the most part the PU has the interference call at second base on the front end of the DP. the theory being the BU is turning as soon as F4/F6 releases the ball and therefore, does not see what
R1 did during the slide.

RECOMMENDATION: If Carl Childress's BRD is available on CD perhaps you can download it and put the differences in some sort of a table for easy viewing.

Pete Booth

[Richard_Siegel]

[quote]

Richard IMO, in order to have a comprehensive list you need to include those rules that are enforced differently.
I appreciate your suggestion. In my estimation probably 60% to 70% of all rules are enforced differently in FED and pro. That's a big list! As big as the BRD! (I do recommend getting the BRD to the cadets.) I didn't want the list to get into the many subtleties of the differences. That is what the whole course is for! We have 15 classes to discuss all of those things. I don't want to muddle up my list with things like a runner is not protected in FED when he overruns 1B on a base-on-balls, like he is on a batted ball, when he is safe at 1B. We'll discuss that rule difference when we get to it in the class. I just want to make a list that easily fits on one page with bullets. Something like this.



inspecting equipment
illegal slides
verbal interference or obstruction.
award of 1B for an intentional walk.
malicious contact
force play slide rule
team warnings
fake tags
player re-entry
mercy rule
jewelry
courtesy runners
taunting and profanity
concussions
restricting players or coaches to the bench
use of protective gear when warming up a pitcher
diving over fielders
casts, braces and splints
playing with less than 9 players
blood rules
tobacco
batter’s box rule
metal bat rules
pitching appearance limits (required days of rest)

BTW, I realize that some of these rules are enforced in the minors but not in the majors. The list is not perfect. It is just there to make a point. HS umpires have to learn a lot more rules than professional umpires.

[mrblue13]

Rules for non-wood bats.

every year when i begin my class to train new umpires to become hs certified i like to stress a point that i first learned from jim evans. Jim often says at the beginning of his clinics that he would be a terrible hs umpire because he has no clue about the many rules we hs umpires have to learn that professional umpires don't have to learn. Rules like malicious contact, re-entry, courtesy runners, ....etc.

This time i would like to compile a comprehensive list of all the rules/skills that an umpires working games under nfhs rules must know that professional umpires don't have to learn. Maybe i could put together an interesting handout for the class about it. Can you help me do this?

Don't give me rules that are enforced in both fed and pro differently, like balks. Just give me rules that professional umpires (minor or major league only) don't need to learn but we high school umpires do.

I'll start it off with three ....



malicious contact
re-entry
courtesy runners


any more?

[sdix00]

Rules for non-wood bats.

GOOD ONE.

ALSO -
Richard - this list is extremely helpful to me a new HS umpire.

I choked on my coffee when I read "We have 15 classes to discuss all of those things."

Without getting specific about what we have and don't have, I will just say we have fewer classes than that, and leave it at that. :rolleyes:

[sdix00]

Since the Umpire's jurisdiction starts at different times depending on the rule code used, it is presumable that under FED an umpire would have additional responsibilities since the umpire has jurisdiction at an earlier point. Equipment inspection comes to mind but there may be other examples.

Not required in OBR:
1-1-1
Each of the two teams consists of at least nine players throughout the game (See Exception 4-4-1f), one of whom must be designated captain.

Enforcement of Jewelry rules 3-3-1

[heyblue26]

[quote=Pete_Booth;116910]I appreciate your suggestion. In my estimation probably 60% to 70% of all rules are enforced differently in FED and pro. That's a big list! As big as the BRD! (I do recommend getting the BRD to the cadets.) I didn't want the list to get into the many subtleties of the differences. That is what the whole course is for! We have 15 classes to discuss all of those things. I don't want to muddle up my list with things like a runner is not protected in FED when he overruns 1B on a base-on-balls, like he is on a batted ball, when he is safe at 1B. We'll discuss that rule difference when we get to it in the class. I just want to make a list that easily fits on one page with bullets. Something like this.



inspecting equipment
illegal slides
verbal interference or obstruction.
award of 1B for an intentional walk.
malicious contact
force play slide rule
team warnings
fake tags
player re-entry
mercy rule
jewelry
courtesy runners
taunting and profanity
concussions
restricting players or coaches to the bench
use of protective gear when warming up a pitcher
diving over fielders
casts, braces and splints
playing with less than 9 players
blood rules
tobacco
batter’s box rule
metal bat rules
pitching appearance limits (required days of rest)

BTW, I realize that some of these rules are enforced in the minors but not in the majors. The list is not perfect. It is just there to make a point. HS umpires have to learn a lot more rules than professional umpires.

This is great wish I could attend the classes but it would be a long flight.