GR Double

[DaveD10]

Since a ground rule double is a 2 base time of pitch award why would a runner from first be allowed to score?

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[Rich_Ives]

Since a ground rule double is a 2 base time of pitch award why would a runner from first be allowed to score?

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Uh -gee - because they blew it?

[yawetag]

Since a ground rule double is a 2 base time of pitch award why would a runner from first be allowed to score?

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The only thought is that there was something on the play other than a simple hit over F8's head that bounced out. We are talking about a reporter, not an official scorer.

[Rich_Ives]

The only thought is that there was something on the play other than a simple hit over F8's head that bounced out. We are talking about a reporter, not an official scorer.

True.

Possibility - After it bounced F8 knocked the ball over the fence as he tried to grab it. Then it would be two bases time of touch (throw) if the umpires ruled it was the touch that caused it to go over.

[Richard_Siegel]

I had a similar situation in a game on Friday night. First batter, top of the 1st inning. The batter grounded to F5 who threw it in the dirt to F3. The ball got by F3 and rolled in the grass and stopped on the grass about 2 inches before a dead ball line painted on the grass. The BR stopped at 1B. F9 runs over to get it. He runs passed the ball into DBT, which is not a problem. However, he stops, turns around, bent over and picked up the ball while standing with both feet on the other side of the DB line. Now the ball is "carried" out of play: two bases. I sent the runner to 3B.

Because the award happened as a result of the overthrown ball, sending the runner to 3B seemed wrong to the DHC. He comes out to question me and keeps repeating "one base on an overthrow." I tried to explain "catch and carry to him" but he decided I was all wrong and refused to listen. It made of a tense evening the rest of the game.

Figures that a batter in the bottom of the 1st grounded to F5 who threw it in the dirt to F3, the ball got by F3 and rolled in the grass rolled a few feet over the dead ball line. Of course after I send that batter to 2B. I can see the DHC squawking about it to his AC's in the dugout.

[71ump]

Curious Richard why did you rule this as intentional catch & carry. Sounded more like unintentional. Not saying its wrong just curious.

[Richard_Siegel]

Curious Richard why did you rule this as intentional catch & carry. Sounded more like unintentional. Not saying its wrong just curious.

Where in my post does it mention anything about the C&C being intentional or not?

[semper_fi_72]

Where in my post does it mention anything about the C&C being intentional or not?

Another one of those reading comprehension problems, Richard.
Also the primary cause of not understanding the rules of the game.
More common among Coaches than Umpires, but it does affect some in our ranks. :rolleyes:

[Rich_Ives]

Where in my post does it mention anything about the C&C being intentional or not?

Because you awarded two bases.

NCAA 6-e carrying a thrown ball into DBT is one base.

OBR - thrown ball not covered - it's one base on a batted ball - for a thrown ball BRD recommends one base per an Evans play in the JEA.

FED Baserunning awards table and 8-3-3-d: One base for an unintentional catch and carry of a batted ball. There is no logical reason to make it two bases for such a carry of a thrown ball

[71ump]

WOW All I was asking was how you arrived at this being a two base award versus one base.
Semper_fi_72 may need to re-read the rules apparently he does not know them based on the support he gave Richard. Glad I am not on the field with people who make it up as they want. Thanks for nothing. Yes I'am pissed. This is place for learning & discussion. Grow up people.
Rich gave me all sorts of education for my question. I truly appreciate Rich's response of rule sets & and learning opportunity. Cudos to Rich. THANKS ALOT RICH you were very helpful. I appreciate learning.

Where in my post does it mention anything about the C&C being intentional or not? LITTLE SARCASM OR LACK OF WHAT RULE SAYS WITH THIS COMMENT?
Richard_Siegel

Another one of those reading comprehension problems, Richard.
Also the primary cause of not understanding the rules of the game.
More common among Coaches than Umpires, but it does affect some in our ranks.
semper_fi_72

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Originally Posted by Richard_Siegel
Where in my post does it mention anything about the C&C being intentional or not?

Because you awarded two bases.

NCAA 6-e carrying a thrown ball into DBT is one base.

OBR - thrown ball not covered - it's one base on a batted ball - for a thrown ball BRD recommends one base per an Evans play in the JEA.

FED Baserunning awards table and 8-3-3-d: One base for an unintentional catch and carry of a batted ball. There is no logical reason to make it two bases for such a carry of a thrown ball
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