LL substitutions rule

[socallurker]

If a starter leaves the game, say the clean up hitter, when can he re-enter the game as anything other than the 4th batting spot?

Can he enter defensively for a player in another batting slot if he never comes up to bat? (e.g., comes out at the end of the second, can he go in for, say, the lead-off batter for defensive purposes in the bottom of the 6th?)

(We've only left the continuous order behind as we start playoffs and I'm trying to parse through.)

[semper_fi_72]

If a starter leaves the game, say the clean up hitter, when can he re-enter the game as anything other than the 4th batting spot?

Can he enter defensively for a player in another batting slot if he never comes up to bat? (e.g., comes out at the end of the second, can he go in for, say, the lead-off batter for defensive purposes in the bottom of the 6th?)
Yes if the lead off batter has played 6 defensive outs and batted at least once.

(We've only left the continuous order behind as we start playoffs and I'm trying to parse through.)

LL Rulebook 3.03
Before a substitute can replace a player, the player:
Must have played 6 defensive outs.
Must have completed one time at bat.

[Rich_Ives]

LL Rulebook 3.03
Before a substitute can replace a player, the player:
Must have played 6 defensive outs.
Must have completed one time at bat.

NO. Regular season rules:

You can replace a player at any time. If that player is a starter you can re-enter him later to finish his MPR. If the replaced player was a sub the player might not meet MPR so there might be a violation of that but it is not a violation of the sub rules.

A starter can re-enter anywhere in the lineup but only after the player who went in for him has batted once and played 6 consectuive defensive outs.

[dukemd]

Remember tournament rules differ....must return to the same slot in the batting order.

[Rich_Ives]

Remember tournament rules differ....must return to the same slot in the batting order.

And in the tournament a sub entering for the first time cannot be removed until he's done his MPR (ampunt varies this year).

In the tournament, subs can re-enter. They cannot in regular season.

[midwayll]

OK. I did a search and could not find the answer. And rather than start a new thread, I thought I would just add to this one:

LL Playoff Junior Game (13-14YO).

A sub comes in for a starter and this sub gets his 2 and 1. Then another sub comes in for the original sub in the same position and in the same spot in the batting order and gets his 2 and 1. The starter never reentered the game until the second sub got his 2 and 1.

The opposing manager thought this was illegal. My partner and I were not sure to be honest. I thought it was legal, my partner thought it was illegal but wasn't sure. On the surface it sounds OK and I could not remember anything about it in the rule book. The opposing manager's team ended up winning 4-3.

I checked the LL rulebook and could not find anything. My question: was this sub for sub a legal move?

[catoblue]

OK. I did a search and could not find the answer. And rather than start a new thread, I thought I would just add to this one:

LL Playoff Junior Game (13-14YO).

A sub comes in for a starter and this sub gets his 2 and 1. Then another sub comes in for the original sub in the same position and in the same spot in the batting order and gets his 2 and 1. The starter never reentered the game until the second sub got his 2 and 1.

The opposing manager thought this was illegal. My partner and I were not sure to be honest. I thought it was legal, my partner thought it was illegal but wasn't sure. On the surface it sounds OK and I could not remember anything about it in the rule book. The opposing manager's team ended up winning 4-3.

I checked the LL rulebook and could not find anything. My question: was this sub for sub a legal move?

While not specifically covered, I see this as perfectly legal - both subs met MPR and the starter re-entered after his sub completed MPR.

Subs can't re-enter, Starters may re-enter after sub completes MPR. Nothing says that you can't sub - MPR, then Sub - MPR, then bring starter back in.

[midwayll]

While not specifically covered, I see this as perfectly legal - both subs met MPR and the starter re-entered after his sub completed MPR.

Subs can't re-enter, Starters may re-enter after sub completes MPR. Nothing says that you can't sub - MPR, then Sub - MPR, then bring starter back in.

That is exactly what I thought. And there is nothing in the LL rule book that says you cannot do this.

Anybody else say differently?