Batting Out of Order Question?

[mudder]

No runners on, 2 out, B6 comes to the plate (should be B5 as B4 was the last batter). B6 grounds out for 3rd out and nobody notices he batted out of order, inning over.

In the next inning, the team that BOOO realized their error from the previous inning, and the HC asks the PU "who should lead off the inning B5 or B7"?

[MCLEOD36]

LOL whoops.

B7. He was validated by B6 in the previous inning.

[ExCop]

BOO is counter-intuitive:

1. Teams can bat in any order they please, provided the other side does not appeal it.

2. If BOO is successfully appealed, the batter that should have batted is declared out. Yup. Usually some poor slob on the bench.

3. The batter who bats next is the batter that follows the guy you just declared out on the bench. Which is usually..(wait for it)...the same guy who just batted out of order! Again!

Go figure.

[DerekD]

The batter that was out of order becomes legal on a pitch to the next batter right? Since no pitch has been thrown to a batter, does the end of the inning make that batter legal?

[carolinablue]

I would guess that since the last out was recorded by B6 ( the improper batter ), and not B5 ( the proper batter ) that B6 would be validated and the next inning would start with B7.

Also all appeals must be made before all fielders have left the field. Does this apply to this as well ?

[Rich_Ives]

The batter that was out of order becomes legal on a pitch to the next batter right? Since no pitch has been thrown to a batter, does the end of the inning make that batter legal?

Not the end if the inning, but it has to be appealed before a pitch to the next batter OF EITHER TEAM. So as soon as a pitch is thrown in the next half inning the improper batter is legalized.

[bobjenkins]

Also all appeals must be made before all fielders have left the field. Does this apply to this as well ?

No, it does not.

[heyblue26]

You must remember that batting out of order there are two known fundamentals to keep in your mind: That is that when a player bats out of turn, the proper batter is the batter called out but if the improper batter has batted and reaches base or is called out and there is no appeal that is made before a pitch to the next batter or before any play or an attempted play, that the improper batter is to have been considered to have batted in his proper place or turn and that establishes the order that is to follow.

But as Bruce Formening (SP) had stated during a interview with Bob Costa It really gets complicated after you go thru Abel-Baker-Charles-Daniel and hope you do not get that far in the line up.

[catoblue]

No runners on, 2 out, B6 comes to the plate (should be B5 as B4 was the last batter). B6 grounds out for 3rd out and nobody notices he batted out of order, inning over.

In the next inning, the team that BOOO realized their error from the previous inning, and the HC asks the PU "who should lead off the inning B5 or B7"?

OK... since half an inning has gone by at this point, pitches have been thrown and plays have been made, so B6 has been legalized and the next batter is B7.

[widac]

Not the end if the inning, but it has to be appealed before a pitch to the next batter OF EITHER TEAM. So as soon as a pitch is thrown in the next half inning the improper batter is legalized.In FED, at least, the improper batter IS legalized when all the infielders have left the diamond at the end of a 1/2 inning. 7-1Pen2.

I just checked OBR and...

Wow, OBR 6.07b does say "before the first pitch to the next batter of either team" and nothing about the 1/2 inning ending. That seems wierd.

[Rich_Ives]

In FED, at least, the improper batter IS legalized when all the infielders have left the diamond at the end of a 1/2 inning. 7-1Pen2.

I just checked OBR and...

Wow, OBR 6.07b does say "before the first pitch to the next batter of either team" and nothing about the 1/2 inning ending. That seems wierd.

There's a lot of folks who think it's the FED rules that are weird. :)

[AugieDonatelli]

There's a lot of folks who think it's the FED rules that are weird. :)

You can count me in that group, for sure. FED is whack! I enforce their rules, but that doesn't mean I have to like it!

[widac]

There's a lot of folks who think it's the FED rules that are weird. :)I agree but it seems like the OBR interp could lead to the inning ending, teams changing sides, warm-up pitches thrown, ball put in play and then an appeal could be made on the final batter of the last 1/2 inning.

I know its dumb but bear with me. What if the last play of the previous 1/2 inning had a runner on 2nd and an incorrect batter at the plate w/ 2 outs. The incorrect batter hits one to the gap in right center and the runner from 2nd crosses the plate before the BR is thrown out at 2nd to end the inning.

"Score the run" the plate ump says. Then the defence can appeal the BOO right up to the first pitch of the next 1/2 inning according to OBR, correct? And take the run off the board.

[Rich_Ives]

I agree but it seems like the OBR interp could lead to the inning ending, teams changing sides, warm-up pitches thrown, ball put in play and then an appeal could be made on the final batter of the last 1/2 inning.

I know its dumb but bear with me. What if the last play of the previous 1/2 inning had a runner on 2nd and an incorrect batter at the plate w/ 2 outs. The incorrect batter hits one to the gap in right center and the runner from 2nd crosses the plate before the BR is thrown out at 2nd to end the inning.

"Score the run" the plate ump says. Then the defence can appeal the BOO right up to the first pitch of the next 1/2 inning according to OBR, correct? And take the run off the board.

Sure. Why not? Nothing has happened in the interim that would affect it.