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KenGibes
05-11-2009, 07:00 PM
I'm working a Juniors game on the bases with a young plate umpire (16). In the top of the first inning, with the count 0-2, the pitcher throws a round-house curve that buckles the batter but it comes in high across the plate. PU called it a ball and the pitcher's coaches all groan in unison from the bench. One of the coaches asks the catcher, "Where was that one, Greg?" The catcher replies, "It was a perfect curve ball."

My partner did nothing, and I wasn't sure if he was ignoring the remark, or if he didn't catch both ends of the conversation correctly, or if he was interpreting the catcher's comment to mean the curve was perfect but not necessarily a strike.

At that point, I wasn't sure what to do, but as the remarks could be clearly heard across the field, I called time and walked over to the coach who asked the question. I quietly explained to him that he shouldn't employ that tactic if he wants to keep his catcher in the game. As I anticipated, the coach didn't think that his question and the catcher's reply would be considered arguing balls and strikes. So, I explained why they could be construed that way and the game went on.

In our post-game, my partner admitted that he didn't hear the coach's initial question, so he wasn't sure what the catcher was saying when he made the comment about the curve ball.

Now that I've thought about it for a few days, I'm wondering if I jumped the gun, or if I may have been throwing my partner under the bus if he, indeed, had heard the comment and was choosing to ignore it.

Given this exactly situation as written, what would you have done (and why?)

ExCop
05-11-2009, 07:08 PM
This is a perfect mentoring opportunity. From my own development, I know that these types of pitches can be the hardest to call. Training the new guy how to use good timing, and knowing what to look for, can help him call these pitches. Nothing pi**es off the battery more than missing a nice, finishing, 2 strike curveball.

A perfect post-game discussion. Not sure I'd have intervened with the coach though, as it was your partner's sitch to handle, for better or worse.

mr umpire
05-11-2009, 07:15 PM
I would let your partner handle it. If he didn't seem rattled by it and kept calling the same pitch a ball, good for him. Eventually they will learn or get sent home early by him.

With him being a young umpire, I would talk to him between innings possibly to see what he is thinking. If he does feel intimidated, then give him some info about how to handle it and be there to support him. Let him make the ejection and then you get rid of the offender.

You should not be there to defend him. He chose to umpire and will need to learn how to handle it. Defend him after he has handled it.

Dano
05-12-2009, 12:08 PM
I had this happen to me a couple of years ago.

Catcher stabs at the ball with his glove to the outside.

Ball is clearly outside by several inches.

Coach asks catcher "Where was that one?"

Catcher says "Right down the middle".

I laugh rather loudly and shake my head.

Then I took care of it from there ;)

Ozzy
05-12-2009, 01:24 PM
I had this happen to me a couple of years ago.

Catcher stabs at the ball with his glove to the outside.

Ball is clearly outside by several inches.

Coach asks catcher "Where was that one?"

Catcher says "Right down the middle".

I laugh rather loudly and shake my head.

Then I took care of it from there ;)
Explain to the "Newbies" what you did!

Dano
05-12-2009, 01:51 PM
Explain to the "Newbies" what you did!


Young kids these days.. probably wouldn't understand what a thimble is.

BrianC14
05-12-2009, 02:29 PM
Young kids these days.. probably wouldn't understand what a thimble is.

ROFLMAO :D

ExCop
05-12-2009, 03:02 PM
I think psychologists should do a study on how coaches' brains work. They seem to honestly and genuinely believe that by riding officials they will somehow increase the number of calls that go their way.

Don't they get it? The BEST they could hope for is that we wouldn't hold their comments against them. And even the odds of that happening decrease with every new comment.

ref93
05-12-2009, 03:22 PM
Ex,

That study was already done. There were 2 irrefutable conclusions reached:

1. Less than 5% fo coaches actually had a brain
2. Those that did have one did not register any recent activity with it.

I digress,

MCLEOD36
05-12-2009, 03:33 PM
LOL.

You Canadians are just NOT RIGHT.....

I once had a coach go, No, I am supposed to always critize you and your calls, whether you are right or not.... THAT IS MY JOB. I go coach, why dont you teach your pitcher a change up instead.