Lost my own mind

[3appleshigh]

Been a slow year for EJ for me 3 up till last week, then I had an automatic as a kid Drew a line on me, then, I did a double header with 3 for me 1 for partner. I could have had more but was having way too much fun Tormenting the coach of that team. He loves to argue anything and everything, wheater it makes sense or not. We had 5 or 6 arguements before I got in his face jawing back and forth. It was OK till I lost my ump persona and regular me showed up, I ended the Arguement with a Ric flair WOOOOOO!, it was flipping hilarious and embarrassing at the same time. This caused one of thier players to lose his mind and get the boot as well. Then the next game, I had a kid K looking take 1 step and helicopter his bat 45', Good bye. Things settled down after that.
Love when they come in bunches.

[mfs914]

now i'm not trying to put you down or anything but it sounds to me like you may be looking for Ejections. For one thing we should never be jawing back and forth like you describe. If an argument Does insue, take control, warn and then eject if need be. But yelling back and forth like that only makes you look like a jerk like the coach is.
The reason i say you are looking for them is because you said i have had only 3 up till now and then you got 4 in a week thats 7 in a season. I have worked alot of baseball this year and have yet to throw anyone out. Now this is just my perspective from your post, maybe they all deserved it, but if i have any advise try to keep your cool out there, make the coach look like an ass, dont bring yourself to there level.

Mike

[3appleshigh]

I'll be honest, I'm never like that, it was a) a bad day, and B) a person I truely can't stand, I was purposfully keeping him in the game to continue to berate him. Not wise I'll be the first to grant, but what can I say.

Re the number that is in over 80 games this season, and I'm in canada where the ability and discipline is very low on many teams. Most of my ejections outside of this game were automatic. Coach dancing on the field arguing about a call, bingo, Players throwing bats 45' bingo, Drawing lines, bingo. Assistant coach whining bingo. They happen, last year I had maybe 5 in 150 plus game this year different. This year is way up for ejections in my area, i would bet up 50-75%. Coaches just are not instilling discipline in the players anymore. But to be honest 0 ejections sounds to me like your keeping people that don't deserve to be there. Unless your players are just that much smarter, which to be honest they just might be.

[M-sideump]

Wow 7 in a year I have had 1 ejection in 5 years. Plus I didn't really want to eject they guy i was just sick of him. Usually I told him to go away 3 or 4 times then he came to fight my strike zone and I tossed him. That was just this year and it was the 2nd game in the city tourney sucked for him. I just find it easier to tell a coach to buzz off then to go and file out a ej form. Most of the time telling them to go sit in the duggout and cool down is enough to open the eyes of a coach.

I had a coach coupla weeks ago during a showcase event argue with me about why I wouldn't appeal to my partner in C on a check swing call on a RH batter...

I tried explaining to him..he couldn't understand it....I tried explaining to him that we had covered that very subject in our (umpires) pregame that my partner stated he would not change ANY call appealed to him in B or C, EVER....( I have worked with a few who told me to appeal to them anytime I wanted)

he still just couldn't understand it..he was calm enough about it, no real tirade or anything....Guess he felt needed to put on his own show for the scouts too... :roll:

A Ric Flair "WOOOOOOOO!" ?? :o :lol:

[wonderbread]

I'll be honest, I'm never like that, it was a) a bad day, and B) a person I truely can't stand, I was purposfully keeping him in the game to continue to berate him. Not wise I'll be the first to grant, but what can I say.

I avoided an EJ the other night doing the same sorta thing.

Mens league, real jerk of a guy (known and recognized prick). First inning, Ball on the outer-half, at the knees. A perfect pitcher's pitch. Strike one. "C'mon now" "That was a strike yesterday, and it's a strike today. That's right there." Little groan from him.

Sixth inning, same pitch. Called strike two. He steps out, turns and looks at me and starts with the "That's NOT a strike." etc etc BS. I sorta look at him and say "That's RIGHT there" and then mumble something about "I'll show you a strike". Catcher must have heard me, set up about 4-5 inches off, ball just below the knees, hits the mitt, Strike three, goodbye. Batter was a little flabbergasted, but knew it was coming.

Why do the paperwork when the K is so much more rewarding?

[M-sideump]

Nice thats how its done if a coach complains about strikes zone gets bigger or smaller.

[quote="M-sideump"]Wow 7 in a year I have had 1 ejection in 5 years.quote]

I had 7 in ONE GAME a few years ago... had 7 EJ's in ONE GAME this year as well....They were "technical EJ's". League had a rule that NO steel cleats allowed--violators ejected...It was a middle schol level affair...

At least ya probably haven't had THIS scenario:

Pitch is 20 inches outside for ball 3...Coach has grumbled since Ball 1.. kicks the dugout fence and screams "You gotta be kidding! I don't believe this!"

Cha-Chingggg! Taxi please! Sayanora $h*thead!

Coach then comes on out...speaks his mind...retreats back to dugout and then charges back out telling me to never "touch me with your mask again!" and proceeds to slap my HSM almost outta my hand...

He will be spending some "quality time with the family at home" a little while next season... 8)

[M-sideump]

Yeah technical ej dont really count you have to do em but yeah I guess I just kinda have a deaf ear and let alot slide but I see where your coming from.

[AugieDonatelli]

Wow 7 in a year I have had 1 ejection in 5 years. Plus I didn't really want to eject they guy i was just sick of him. Usually I told him to go away 3 or 4 times then he came to fight my strike zone and I tossed him. That was just this year and it was the 2nd game in the city tourney sucked for him. I just find it easier to tell a coach to buzz off then to go and file out a ej form. Most of the time telling them to go sit in the duggout and cool down is enough to open the eyes of a coach.

Having one ejection in 5 years is not something to brag about. You have undoubtably taken way more crap than you ever should have.

You told a coach 3 or 4 times to "go away," then you threw him? So, you would rather tell a coach to "buzz off" than fill out a simple ejection form? This is just flat-out not doing your job, and making it harder for those who follow you in that coach's next games. It's lazyness not wanting to fill out ejection forms. I have a supply of them, and I don't mind filling them out if need be.

I don't believe in telling a coach to go sit in the dugout and cool down. They get warned to stop arguing, and if they continue, they get jacked. In all the years I've done HS ball, I have not once used the "bench restriction" option in the FED rule book. If it is serious enough to warrant a restriction, it is serious enough to eject. As the years went by, I found it less and less necessary to eject, as coaches knew I didn't take a bunch of crap.

I have never had as many as 7 ejections in a year (5 is my all-time season high), but if I had, they would have certainly earned their ejections. It's not the amount of ejections, whether a high number or very few, that matters. It's ejecting when the situation calls for it, not whether or not it is convenient for the umpire.

[M-sideump]

Yeah I have a supply of ej forms aswell and i dont care if I have to fill a form out. i just have to deal with people and im a cooled tempered guy. Plus im 16 I don't want a reason for the league to let me go I am one of the only umpires my age left in the league that gets used becase the Umps get ej happy. I love my job and i don't ever get to much flack because I'm a consitant umpire, which you and I both know is an important part, and the other thing I really hate is that here we use the parent volunteer umpires so I don't have a partner to back me up so I have been forced to really know my stuff and as you and me both know that is very importan!!!

[AugieDonatelli]

Yeah I have a supply of ej forms aswell and i dont care if I have to fill a form out. i just have to deal with people and im a cooled tempered guy. Plus im 16 I don't want a reason for the league to let me go I am one of the only umpires my age left in the league that gets used becase the Umps get ej happy. I love my job and i don't ever get to much flack because I'm a consitant umpire, which you and I both know is an important part, and the other thing I really hate is that here we use the parent volunteer umpires so I don't have a partner to back me up so I have been forced to really know my stuff and as you and me both know that is very importan!!!

Well if your only 16, and have been umpiring since you were 11, you are well ahead of the learning curve. Get a couple years more experience working these leagues, and then get in the HS association and you'll do fine. Just learn as much as you can, both from other umpires you work with, and the more seasoned umpires on these boards. When one of us tells you something, it comes out of many years of experience. When they tell you they've seen umpires arrive at games after they've been drinking, don't just respond that you have never seen it, so it must not ever happen. Be willing to learn from the more experienced guys, and you will go a long way in the business.

[StephenG]

Re the number that is in over 80 games this season, and I'm in canada where the ability and discipline is very low on many teams.

Why the hate on?? I don't think the quality is that bad up here at all. I have had the pleasure of dealing with many good coaches in Canada in my 9 years of umpiring, or course there are bad and undertrained ones, but i really don't think they are that bad overall.

As for your number of ejections, i never had anywhere close to as many as you are saying you have in the years gone bye where i used to work 70-100 games a year, now that i am in 2 straight years where getting to 20 games will be a stretch, and the only ejection i have had was an OBA contact rule play at the plate last year (no slide, raised arms into catchers head in avoidable collision). I honestly don't think i have ever tossed more than 3 or 4 people in a season, and they earned theirs each and every time, and most of those are coaches that generally weren't problems, the problem coaches always know how to not get tossed from an arguement.

[wonderbread]

Re the number that is in over 80 games this season, and I'm in canada where the ability and discipline is very low on many teams.

Why the hate on?? I don't think the quality is that bad up here at all. I have had the pleasure of dealing with many good coaches in Canada in my 9 years of umpiring, or course there are bad and undertrained ones, but i really don't think they are that bad overall.

As for your number of ejections, i never had anywhere close to as many as you are saying you have in the years gone bye where i used to work 70-100 games a year, now that i am in 2 straight years where getting to 20 games will be a stretch, and the only ejection i have had was an OBA contact rule play at the plate last year (no slide, raised arms into catchers head in avoidable collision). I honestly don't think i have ever tossed more than 3 or 4 people in a season, and they earned theirs each and every time, and most of those are coaches that generally weren't problems, the problem coaches always know how to not get tossed from an arguement.

It's possible he's not working in a big-city setting where baseball in Canada tends to be the strongest. You and I are rather lucky to be in arguably the two strongest baseball regions in the country.

[StephenG]

It's possible he's not working in a big-city setting where baseball in Canada tends to be the strongest. You and I are rather lucky to be in arguably the two strongest baseball regions in the country.

I've only worked in Toronto for 2 years, before that it was Waterloo (5) and Georgetown (2). Waterloo is a larger area, but the baseball registration numbers have been steadily dropping, and Georgetowns player pool is small despite its proximity to Toronto.

I agree that being in Toronto is a major advantage in terms of seeing better quality coaching, though that is not a universal, and i have if anything seen more range of compitence (a bigger overall gap in coach quality) in Toronto than i ever did in Waterloo or Georgetown.

[wonderbread]

It's possible he's not working in a big-city setting where baseball in Canada tends to be the strongest. You and I are rather lucky to be in arguably the two strongest baseball regions in the country.

I've only worked in Toronto for 2 years, before that it was Waterloo (5) and Georgetown (2). Waterloo is a larger area, but the baseball registration numbers have been steadily dropping, and Georgetowns player pool is small despite its proximity to Toronto.

I agree that being in Toronto is a major advantage in terms of seeing better quality coaching, though that is not a universal, and i have if anything seen more range of compitence (a bigger overall gap in coach quality) in Toronto than i ever did in Waterloo or Georgetown.

Yep. I used to live in Edmonton and now live in Vancouver. In Edmonton, Midget Baseball doesn't peak nearly as high as the PBL does here, but it also doesn't bottom out quite as badly. Double A ball is house league here. I couldn't believe it when I took the first game.

[3appleshigh]

Seriously, if you ump in York- Known for quality teams and Coaches - the TP and Leaside great and many others, OK, but seriously North York and East York often has some loony people, but I'm in Newmarket, our coaches are mental, and then I've gotten some even worse, Barrie and Georgina. But Ajax, pickering, oshawa, markham, Vaughan, Bolton, Thornhill are all reasonably good. This game in question was Newmarket Junior's vs Oshawa, Oshawa is a Well disciplined squad, not a peep, they even apologised for the behaviour of the Newmarket team. I have found teams have either a coo-coo coach or coo-coo players, this Newmarket Junior has column A and B. Other EJ this year were tourney's where coaches get a little to excited and didn't heed the warning, or were outright loony to start. Plus as I say in that game I was a bit ornary to start.

[northernblue]

Couldn't resist piping in here. I work out of Guelph, ON (so the Waterloo guy here can attest as he and I probably worked the same teams). Its getting bad in this area. I'm up to 5 this year. All completely earned (which I'm sure we all say hahaha). Coaches have no control over their players and they tend to be just as bad. The problem I've run into is that other umpires in my city (and this area in general) don't eject when its deserved. So coaches and players think they can get away with things (ie. drawing a line on me) and not get dumped. I have even had an IC ejection this year for a guy giving me a helmet slam (after being tagged out by 10 feet) and chirping. Then he didn't he tried to tell me he couldn't believe I dumped him for it. Coaches - learn to control your players. You wonder why you have high ejection numbers - you don't discipline your teams. Do the math.

[3appleshigh]

I this the infamous Brian Bailey??

[northernblue]

Who's that?

[Canadaump6]

The thing is that people may think you're a bit nuts if you associate with Ric Flair. I'm sure even non-wrestling fans would know who he is :) .

[wonderbread]

The thing is that people may think you're a bit nuts if you associate with Ric Flair. I'm sure even non-wrestling fans would know who he is :) .

Why is that when i see a long-dead thread show up in my e-mail, I have a distinct feeling that I know who it is that resurrected it?

[AugieDonatelli]

The thing is that people may think you're a bit nuts if you associate with Ric Flair. I'm sure even non-wrestling fans would know who he is :) .

Why is that when i see a long-dead thread show up in my e-mail, I have a distinct feeling that I know who it is that resurrected it?

Wonderbread,

I do not have e-mail notification for new posts for that very reason. This clown is a major league troll.

Canada Dry,

WTF does the Nature Boy have to do with baseball umpiring? Answer this question. If you cannot provide a reason for mentioning Flair in your post, we will know just what a troll you are, and that you care nothing for learning or contributing.

[wonderbread]

The thing is that people may think you're a bit nuts if you associate with Ric Flair. I'm sure even non-wrestling fans would know who he is :) .

Why is that when i see a long-dead thread show up in my e-mail, I have a distinct feeling that I know who it is that resurrected it?

Wonderbread,

I do not have e-mail notification for new posts for that very reason. This clown is a major league troll.

Canada Dry,

WTF does the Nature Boy have to do with baseball umpiring? Answer this question. If you cannot provide a reason for mentioning Flair in your post, we will know just what a troll you are, and that you care nothing for learning or contributing.

Scroll up.

[AugieDonatelli]

What? I don't see any wrestling references above.

[wonderbread]

What? I don't see any wrestling references above.

First page. First post.

[AugieDonatelli]

Okay, I see. Still, it wasn't worth ressurecting the thread for, and nobody said anything about associating with Ric Flair, only a WOOOOOOOO. Pretty lame to bring up, IMO. :arrow: :roll:

[wonderbread]

Okay, I see. Still, it wasn't worth ressurecting the thread for, and nobody said anything about associating with Ric Flair, only a WOOOOOOOO. Pretty lame to bring up, IMO. :arrow: :roll:

It was OK till I lost my ump persona and regular me showed up, I ended the Arguement with a Ric flair WOOOOOO!

Sorry Augie. Had to do it. The kid's an idiot, but you're stretching now :D

[AugieDonatelli]

No, your not listening....I said nobody said anything about "associating" with Ric Flair. Canadaump6 said people would think you are nuts if you associate with Ric Flair. Nobody said anything of the sort, so what did his comment mean?

He's not an idiot, he is a troll. LMan and Umpduck are right. I'm pissed because I fell for his act for so long, even after Anonymous 67 said he was a troll. I kept giving him the benefit of the doubt. NO MORE.

[wonderbread]

No, your not listening....I said nobody said anything about "associating" with Ric Flair. Canadaump6 said people would think you are nuts if you associate with Ric Flair. Nobody said anything of the sort, so what did his comment mean?

He's not an idiot, he is a troll. LMan and Umpduck are right. I'm pissed because I fell for his act for so long, even after Anonymous 67 said he was a troll. I kept giving him the benefit of the doubt. NO MORE.

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Sorry.

I can see what he meant - but it's still stupid.

[AugieDonatelli]

Now you're stretching it. He meant associate, as in "hang around," to my interpretation. Unless you tell me it's a Canada thing, and I wouldn't understand.

The point is that he pulls up ancient threads, and posts nonsense.

That is the definition of what trolls do. Look that up in your Funk And Wagnalls.

[superump]

Now you're stretching it. He meant associate, as in "hang around," to my interpretation. Unless you tell me it's a Canada thing, and I wouldn't understand.

The point is that he pulls up ancient threads, and posts nonsense.

That is the definition of what trolls do. Look that up in your Funk And Wagnalls.

Noun. To utter a posting on Usenet designed to attract predictable responses or flames; or, the post itself. Derives from the phrase"trolling for newbies" which in turn comes from mainstream "trolling", a style of fishing in which one trails bait through a likely spot hoping for a bite. The well-constructed troll is a post that induces lots of newbies and flamers to
make themselves look even more clueless than they already do, while subtly conveying to the more savvy and experienced that it is in fact a deliberate troll. If you don't fall for the joke, you get to be in on it. See aslo had YHBT.

2. An individual who chronically trolls in sense 1; regularly posts specious arguments, flames or personal attacks to a newsgroup, discussion list, or in email for no other purpose than to annoy someone or disrupt a discussion. Trolls are recognizable by the fact that the have no real interest in learning about the topic at hand - they simply want to utter flame bait. Like the ugly creatures they are named after, they exhibit no redeeming characteristics, and as such, they are recognized as a lower form of life on the net, as in, "Oh, ignore him, he's just a troll."

3. [Berkeley] Computer lab monitor. A popular campus job for CS students. Duties include helping newbies and ensuring that lab policies are followed. Probably so-called because it involves lurking in dark cave like corners.

~Sigh~

This definition of troll makes one wonder who the trolls really are. If your dumb enough to take the bait, it's your own fault......... :roll:

Sincerely,
B. Gaddis

[Canadaump6]

I think you make a very good point. These guys seem to be more of a troll than I am.

As for bringing up the old post, why is that post still on here? Maybe if this forum would stop attacking new users they would actually have more people staying here, thus more members, thus newer posts, thus these posts would not stay on page one for so many months.

[wonderbread]

I think you make a very good point. These guys seem to be more of a troll than I am.

As for bringing up the old post, why is that post still on here? Maybe if this forum would stop attacking new users they would actually have more people staying here, thus more members, thus newer posts, thus these posts would not stay on page one for so many months.

There's not a lot of baseball during november/december.

[Canadaump6]

That's why there should be more discussion.