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11-03-2004, 09:55 PM
Just wondering how many others have had to face a perceived or actual physical confrontation(s) in their careers? I kinda guess I have been lucky as I have only been threatened with bodily harm once in mine. It was this year. Hopefully 5' 11 inches and 230 lbs has been enough to dissuade anything up till now! Was working the bases one day. Runner on first who was leaning pretty good.
Two pitches later he finally broke for second. Catcher took a pitchout and fired a bullet towards second base. I say towards because the throw was shallow and the second baseman took the throw completely on the grass in front the base. I turned with the throw knowing the runner would be out a mile. As I was turning I saw the runner coming inside on the grass, lowering his shoulder, baring teeth and clenching his fists. He crashed into the second baseman with a loud pop, like he was stopping a last second Super Bowl goal line stand. I was momentarily stunned by the viciousness of what had happened. It became totally silent on the field. When my brain finally accepted that what I thought had just happened, had indeed, I hammered the runner out and ejected him for a malicious contact.
While he ranted and raved on the ground, I moved to check on the second baseman who was down and dazed. He was breathing shallowly with the wind knocked out of him. I quickly looked towards both dugouts fully expecting them to empty. Suprisingly, they didn't! The coach of the offensive team made his "obligatory" presence known along with the first base coach,they had nothing to say, so they concentrated on pleading that the ejected runner was their #1 pitcher and could I give them a break. I almost laughed right there in front of them on that one!
The runner continued his tirade and I ordered the coach to get him to the dugout. He continued his show and after he kicked a stack of bats over, I then gave him a total ejection from the field. In North Carolina, that gets you a two game suspension also. My partner had to threaten to forfeit the game for non compliance for the coaches to succeed in finally getting him "out of sight, out of mind".
The inning continued with no problems. However, the next inning, as I was in position A, I was aware of a voice speaking in my direction. I ignored it, not even hearing what was being said. The four feet high fence behind the first base on this field is only about 10 feet from the foul line. I kept hearing a Hey Blue from someone, still choosing to ignore it. Suddenly I began to notice that the first baseman, the pitcher and the second baseman was being distracted by the noise. I then looked towards the voice and saw an obviously angry man yelling at me. I had to call time to stop distracting the players. Turns out, it was the player that I had ejected's father and he was red in the face demanding to know why I had thrown his son out. I calmly explained from the foul line position what had happened and why. It was no use as he was increasingly furious, spitting while screaming like some mad dog. I told him to can it, it was over and to please move along. He refused.
As luck would have it, approximately a week prior to this game, I had suffered an injury while tree trimming at my home and had suffered a doozy of a black eye from it. I lost one game because of it with the blurred vision (hey what woulda been new there? Might even helped my game who knows?). It was ok now but standing out big time. I asked the first base coach for help in having the man to can it and return to his seat. It was useless. I saw him straining against the fence and I quickly looked around to see if any form of security was present. Of course, it wasn't. In North Carolina, security is REQUIRED to be present and escort football, basketball and soccer officials to and from the field. Huh? SOCCER? Don't ask me.....But NOT baseball officials.
I informed the coach and the man that he could leave immediately or I would have (the non existent) security to remove him. That's when he looked at me, made a comment about my parental heritage, laughed, and told me just how good that I looked with one black eye and how good I was gonna look with the other one that he was going to give me. I looked and somehow the ejected player was now hanging over the fence again and began echoing how he was going to help his father administer it.
I told him I doubted that and ejected the father and told him to get his son off the field immediately. He refused and I informed the coach that he had better assist his fan with leaving. I told the coach that while I did not have the power to forfeit the game, that my partner did which he readily concurred to the coach. Both coaches escorted the still protesting fan and player to the parking lot and the game resumed with no further incident.
It was a DH and after the first game I had to go to the parking lot to change out. A sherriff's deputy had arrived by then and he escorted me. The father and son watched every move that we made through the parking lot. I told the deputy that my real concern was for my vehicle now. No Problem he said, I have 2 others with me and one of them will watch your car for you. Great gesture on his part and I thanked him.
After the second game both coaches of the offending team stopped me and thanked me for my professionalism in handling the situation. The head coach told me that he had had problems with both of them all year long and the deputy chimed in that the father had already been arrested once this season for fighting with fans. Turns out, the player received a 2 game suspension from BOTH the NCHSAA AND the school's head coach himself.
I laughed out loud when the local paper published its annual football preview section one Sunday. Right there on the cover of his respective conference's section was a photo of the aformentioned player. I immediately turned to his school's write up which featured am article devoted mainly to him as a star offensive and defensive back. When the reporter had asked him what he liked about football so much, the player was quoted as saying, " I love it because it's the only sport where I can hit somebody and not get thrown out for it!" Ya gotta love it! :wink:

mstaylor
12-26-2004, 07:45 PM
I have had several cases of threats after ejections but only one lead to a physical altercation. Two years agop I ejected a player in a 17/18 summer league of which I was the UIC. The ejection ended the game due to lack of players and as I left the field the kid came at me cussing. As I have twenty uears of security exxperience I read it as an attack, side stepped him and open palmed him in the shoulder.
The parents tried to have me arrested for assult on a minor but were unable because the kid was old enough to do it himself. He ellected to let it drop as a heat of the moment thing. I suspended myself for a year from t hat league.

Eztrog88
02-02-2005, 09:54 PM
I've only had one potentially pyshical altercation...

12 yr old play-offs (Senior Umps in my local association do ALL playoff games). I called a kid safe at third on a steal; but apparently the third base coach beleived the ball was in the 3rd baseman's glove when he tagged the runner (in reality, the ball was in left field). Well, the third base coach was in an all out sprit towards me (halfway between 3rd and home). I put my hand out and the (rather large) coach ran into my hand, pushing my arm to the side and said, "Who the hell do you think you're pushing!?" 8O Before I could answer, my partner (6' 7", 275 lbs; significantly larger than the coach :lol: ) was between us; and the coach not so quitely returned to his bench. I later found out that the coach played for the Red Sox for 3 seasons and had plenty of experience in arguing with umpires.

Luke
02-02-2005, 10:23 PM
I put my hand out and the (rather large) coach ran into my hand, pushing my arm to the side and said, "Who the hell do you think you're pushing!?" 8O Before I could answer, my partner (6' 7", 275 lbs; significantly larger than the coach :lol: ) was between us; and the coach not so quitely returned to his bench.

So you stick your arm out to say "stop", and then the coach runs into your hand and then pushes your hand down. And you are saying you did not toss the coach?

02-03-2005, 12:56 AM
I put my hand out and the (rather large) coach ran into my hand, pushing my arm to the side and said, "Who the hell do you think you're pushing!?" 8O Before I could answer, my partner (6' 7", 275 lbs; significantly larger than the coach :lol: ) was between us; and the coach not so quitely returned to his bench.

So you stick your arm out to say "stop", and then the coach runs into your hand and then pushes your hand down. And you are saying you did not toss the coach?

Nope, I didn't... the had about 150 lbs and 6" on me... he shut up, so i let it go. (at the time that is; he did end up getting suspended after i told the umpire in cheif what happened)

Luke
02-03-2005, 01:18 AM
Nope, I didn't... the had about 150 lbs and 6" on me... he shut up, so i let it go. (at the time that is; he did end up getting suspended after i told the umpire in cheif what happened)

That is completly unacceptable. You can not let anyone boss you around just because they are bigger than you. And even more unacceptable is that you let him get away with making intentional contact with you. You need to eject this man. If only HHH was here for this one...

SocalBlue1
02-03-2005, 04:56 AM
I'm confused - you say the 3b coach came after you for calling his runner safe? Or do you mean 3b dugout defensive coach?

Either way - he's gone as soon as he breaks into a run. Touching an umpire around here & he's gone for the year. Striking, etc & he's done forever.

Big pause, deep breath .... YOU CAN'T EVER EVER EVER let anyone (Coach or player) charge any official without, at minimum, an ejection. Allowing this type behaviour quite simply opens all officials in that league to physical abuse.

02-03-2005, 06:08 PM
I'm confused - you say the 3b coach came after you for calling his runner safe? Or do you mean 3b dugout defensive coach?

Either way - he's gone as soon as he breaks into a run. Touching an umpire around here & he's gone for the year. Striking, etc & he's done forever.

Big pause, deep breath .... YOU CAN'T EVER EVER EVER let anyone (Coach or player) charge any official without, at minimum, an ejection. Allowing this type behaviour quite simply opens all officials in that league to physical abuse.

It was an isolated incident... and like I said, he was suspended after the fact, I chose not to persue it at the time. sometimes tossing a coach does more harm than good, both the benches would have gone up, along with the huge crowd in attendance. Frankly, if I can make my point (by getting him suspended) without putting myself in the middle of an upheavel, thats how i'm gonna do it... a lot of guys think i'm too slow to toss a coach; but i think it was the right way to handel it. And yes, that was the strangest part, he was arguing because i called his runner safe... go figure.

Luke
02-03-2005, 07:40 PM
It was an isolated incident

So if he pushed you two times you would have ejected him? You have to eject anyone who makes intentional contact with you. There is no debate on this issue.

I chose not to persue it at the time.

Wrong answer.

sometimes tossing a coach does more harm than good, both the benches would have gone up, along with the huge crowd in attendance.

You are right, sometimes it is best not to eject, but this is not one of thoes times. You want to avoid gross mistakes in your games, mistakes where both teams and even the old lady in the stands knows you made a mistake. Durring an argument on the field, everyone is looking at you and the coach. Everyone saw him run into you and push your hand down.

The old lady in the stands may not know much more than the basic rules of baseball, but she knows when one of the contestents makes intentional contact with an official, that person always gets ejected.

So everyone at the game now knows that you have terrible game management skills. When you eject someone, the fans might get mad, but when they saw the coach hit you, they know he was wrong, and they expect him to be ejected. No one would have said a word, but they will talk if you don't eject him.

Old Lady says "Did you see that man hit the umpire?" to her other elderly friend. The friend replies "Yeah I did, I wonder why the umpire did not eject him?"

If you don't want the game to get out of hand, you have to eject this coach. When the teams see that you didn't eject him, they will think that they can walk all over you.

Frankly, if I can make my point (by getting him suspended) without putting myself in the middle of an upheavel, thats how i'm gonna do it

Most leagues have rules if anyone gets ejected they are suspended for a game anyways.

a lot of guys think i'm too low to toss a coach

You can say that again.

I'm not a lawyer, but this might be assault. You might have been able to pursue this in a legal way.

SteveD
02-23-2005, 11:25 PM
It was an isolated incident

So if he pushed you two times you would have ejected him? You have to eject anyone who makes intentional contact with you. There is no debate on this issue.

I chose not to persue it at the time.

Wrong answer.

sometimes tossing a coach does more harm than good, both the benches would have gone up, along with the huge crowd in attendance.

You are right, sometimes it is best not to eject, but this is not one of thoes times. You want to avoid gross mistakes in your games, mistakes where both teams and even the old lady in the stands knows you made a mistake. Durring an argument on the field, everyone is looking at you and the coach. Everyone saw him run into you and push your hand down.

The old lady in the stands may not know much more than the basic rules of baseball, but she knows when one of the contestents makes intentional contact with an official, that person always gets ejected.

So everyone at the game now knows that you have terrible game management skills. When you eject someone, the fans might get mad, but when they saw the coach hit you, they know he was wrong, and they expect him to be ejected. No one would have said a word, but they will talk if you don't eject him.

Old Lady says "Did you see that man hit the umpire?" to her other elderly friend. The friend replies "Yeah I did, I wonder why the umpire did not eject him?"

If you don't want the game to get out of hand, you have to eject this coach. When the teams see that you didn't eject him, they will think that they can walk all over you.

Frankly, if I can make my point (by getting him suspended) without putting myself in the middle of an upheavel, thats how i'm gonna do it

Most leagues have rules if anyone gets ejected they are suspended for a game anyways.

a lot of guys think i'm too low to toss a coach

You can say that again.

I'm not a lawyer, but this might be assault. You might have been able to pursue this in a legal way.
I agree with what Luke said above - anytime a manager/coach/player INTENTIONALLY makes any physical contact with you (however slight), he must be ejected. No warning, no hesitation - send him. Last year, I had a manager who I had ejected during a game, "meet" me as soon as I left the field. He tried to instigate a fight, but I just kept on walking. I reported him to the Board and the Board suspended him for the 2 remaining games of the season. Had he assaulted me, I would have contacted the police, filed charges, reported him not only to the local Board, but also the LL District Administrator.