Missed Base Appeal

[cookie22]

NCAA 8.6.a.3 AR2 states:

When the ball is dead, no runner may return to touch a missed base or the one just left if the runner has advanced to and touched a base beyond beyond the missed base.


I 'm having a little trouble understanding "...touched a base beyond beyond the missed base." Is this appeal the same as OBR which it does appear to be (almost exact wording as OBR), so I'm interpreting it as different from the FED missed base appeal which disallows the runner from returning after touching the NEXT base from the missed base when the ball goes dead.

So, in this regard, NCAA is the same as OBR?

[bobjenkins]

NCAA 8.6.a.3 AR2 states:

When the ball is dead, no runner may return to touch a missed base or the one just left if the runner has advanced to and touched a base beyond beyond the missed base.


I 'm having a little trouble understanding "...touched a base beyond beyond the missed base." Is this appeal the same as OBR which it does appear to be (almost exact wording as OBR), so I'm interpreting it as different from the FED missed base appeal which disallows the runner from returning after touching the NEXT base from the missed base when the ball goes dead.

So, in this regard, NCAA is the same as OBR?

Same as OBR; different from FED.

[dash_riprock]

NCAA 8.6.a.3 AR2 states:

When the ball is dead, no runner may return to touch a missed base or the one just left if the runner has advanced to and touched a base beyond beyond the missed base.


I 'm having a little trouble understanding "...touched a base beyond beyond the missed base." Is this appeal the same as OBR which it does appear to be (almost exact wording as OBR), so I'm interpreting it as different from the FED missed base appeal which disallows the runner from returning after touching the NEXT base from the missed base when the ball goes dead.

So, in this regard, NCAA is the same as OBR?

Yes. As long as the runner doesn't touch an advance base AFTER the ball becomes dead, he can legally retouch.

Now for the "what if":

What if R1 was stealing on the pitch and has advanced to 3rd before the ball becomes dead? When he touches 2nd on his way to retouch 1st, has he touched an "advance" base after the ball became dead (albeit retreating)? Can he avoid this problem by missing 2nd on his way to 1st, then touching 2nd when completing the award, thus satisfying the "last time by" rule? Do I have too much time on my hands? Why am I talking to you? (Back to Blazing Saddles.)

FED is different (and unfair, IMO). If the runner is on or beyond his advance base when the ball becomes dead, he may not legally retouch unless the ball was intentionally thrown into DBT to prevent the runner from retouching.

[typikon]

It amazes me how the rule books and case books spend so much time on missed bases, appeals, errors on appeals, runs scoring before/after appeals, with their myriad combinations, and yet we see it so rarely and when we do neither team really has a clue as to what the umpire is going to say anyhow (except the obvious cases).

Did this used to be a bigger deal in, say, the 20s? I once searched on "appeal" on MLB.com, and it seems like there are 5-6 successful missed base appeals per year.

[KenGibes]

It amazes me how the rule books and case books spend so much time on missed bases, appeals, errors on appeals, runs scoring before/after appeals, with their myriad combinations, and yet we see it so rarely and when we do neither team really has a clue as to what the umpire is going to say anyhow (except the obvious cases).

Did this used to be a bigger deal in, say, the 20s? I once searched on "appeal" on MLB.com, and it seems like there are 5-6 successful missed base appeals per year.


The "appeal" itself is an oddity in sports.

In what other sport is there a condition where a game official witnesses a violation by a team, but a penalty is not assessed unless the offending team's opponents also see the violation and the team formally appeals to the official?

[sdix00]

The "appeal" itself is an oddity in sports.

In what other sport is there a condition where a game official witnesses a violation by a team, but a penalty is not assessed unless the offending team's opponents also see the violation and the team formally appeals to the official?

none. That is why FED enforced missed bases as automatic outs in baseball for 15 years.

To bring baseball inline with the other sports. LOL

I am surprised FED did not add a game clock, PAT and allow the offense to control the ball.