LINE UP CARDS

[fatump]

HOW TO YOU FILL OUT THE LINE UP CARDS OR GIVE ME SUGGESTIONS ON HOW TO I HAVE ONE PUT DONT kNOW HOW TO USE IT

[heyblue26]

Are you a coach or umpire?

[richo_aust]

HOW TO YOU FILL OUT THE LINE UP CARDS OR GIVE ME SUGGESTIONS ON HOW TO I HAVE ONE PUT DONT kNOW HOW TO USE IT

strange question

[fatump]

HOW TO YOU FILL OUT THE LINE UP CARDS OR GIVE ME SUGGESTIONS ON HOW TO I HAVE ONE PUT DONT kNOW HOW TO USE IT

ok let me clear it up im an umpire and maybe i named it wrong but its the card with the pencil that the umpire uses:confused: for documenting names and changes that happen in the game

[yawetag]

fatump,

In general, you use the lineup card the coaches give you at the plate meeting. Depending on the rule set and substitution rules, you would mark when a player enters a spot in the lineup, customarily by lining out the current player and writing in the new player.

Each person does it differently. As long as you understand what you're doing on your card, and you can use it to explain to a coach why a substitution can't be made (or BOO applies), then you're good to go.

[OzUmp]

Unless it is an important game or an evaluator is watching I take the lineup cards from the coach, stick them in my front pocket and never refer to them again except to throw them in the garbage can when I clean out my kit bag. I usually tell the coaches to report the changes to the scorers directly. I stand nearby and listen as if I really cared what was being said. When I am calling a game in the stadium it is even easier. I wave up to the pressbox to get the scores attention then I point to the substitute player in the field or box. Having done that I resume the game.

[yawetag]

Unless it is an important game or an evaluator is watching I take the lineup cards from the coach, stick them in my front pocket and never refer to them again except to throw them in the garbage can when I clean out my kit bag. I usually tell the coaches to report the changes to the scorers directly. I stand nearby and listen as if I really cared what was being said. When I am calling a game in the stadium it is even easier. I wave up to the pressbox to get the scores attention then I point to the substitute player in the field or box. Having done that I resume the game.

This is the Newbie section. I'd ensure you're giving good advice.

[heyblue26]

There are different ways each umpire uses to make changes on the lineup card that you get at the plate meeting. I ask the coaches to list all player to include subs on the lineup card and there number.

As the substution is made I then circle next to the players name and what position he is replacing and line out the players name that he replaced if he was taken out of the game or moved to a different position hope that this helps yawetag has provide some very good information.

[fatump]

way to come through again boys

[OzUmp]

This is the Newbie section. I'd ensure you're giving good advice.

How is this you dislexic dips**t: Bite me.

[richo_aust]

I use A,B,C,D etc next to the names and include the inning, A 3,
line under the inning indicates top or bottom of dig.
Helps with LL re_entry and double switch in higher grades.

Hope that helped.

[Richard_Siegel]

Unless it is an important game or an evaluator is watching I take the lineup cards from the coach, stick them in my front pocket and never refer to them again except to throw them in the garbage can when I clean out my kit bag. I usually tell the coaches to report the changes to the scorers directly. I stand nearby and listen as if I really cared what was being said. When I am calling a game in the stadium it is even easier. I wave up to the pressbox to get the scores attention then I point to the substitute player in the field or box. Having done that I resume the game.

You sound lazy!

[CoachJM]

Richard,

How is this you dislexic dips**t: Bite me.

That's a much nicer word than the one I was considering. :roll:

JM

[ump_24]

Just scanning through this quickly, so apologies in advance if any of this is redundant:

1 - OzUmp: play nice.

2 - Required to be on a line-up: first and last names of players. If a player's not listed, it doesn't mean he can't participate.

3 - If the manager doesn't put his name on the card, get it from whoever presents the card at the plate meeting, so you can refer to him by name instead of ambiguously calling him "skip." Some pro leagues require the manager to sign the card but they are not required to do so by the real rule book.

4 - Track substitutions as you wish - we all have our own method. Just make sure you know don't need a GPS to navigate the card at the end of the game

5 - Always write clearly. You never know when someone else will need to look at that line-up (ie suspended game, protest, etc)

[CoachJM]

ump_24,

Just scanning through this quickly, so apologies in advance if any of this is redundant:

1 - OzUmp: play nice.

I could certainly be wrong, but I suspect you are wasting your "breath".

2 - Required to be on a line-up: first and last names of players and all coaches who want to be on the bench.

There is no requirement that ANY coach's name be on the lineup card. In my experience, many teams will provide the Head Coach/Manager's name on the card as a courtesy. I have no interest in knowing a base coach, hitting coach, pitching coach, "get back" coach, or other coach's name.

Personally I write both HC's (first) names on my own little card I prepare to track CRs and visits.

Perhaps this in an OBA or some other Canadian organization's requirement?

3 - Have the manager not only be identified on the card but also have him sign it. Just in case you run into a BS situation later.

Just as there is no requirement that his name not be on the card, there is also no requirement that he sign it. If a "kerfuffle" should subsequently arise, the ONLY lineup cards that matter are the ones in MY possession - by rule.

Again, perhaps Canada does this differently.

4 - Sign the cards yourself and distribute. Again, to prevent BS.

I have NEVER "signed" a lineup card prior to distributing the copies. There is no reason to. (I do, in fact, "initial" the official lineup cards before returning them in the event of s suspended game.)

5 - Track substitutions as you wish - we all have our own method. Just make sure you know don't need a GPS to navigate the card at the end of the game

I concur. Good advice.

6 - Always write clearly. You never know when someone else will need to look at that line-up (ie suspended game, protest, etc)

Of course! That is simply courteous.

JM

[ump_24]

ump_24,



I could certainly be wrong, but I suspect you are wasting your "breath".



There is no requirement that ANY coach's name be on the lineup card. In my experience, many teams will provide the Head Coach/Manager's name on the card as a courtesy. I have no interest in knowing a base coach, hitting coach, pitching coach, "get back" coach, or other coach's name.

Personally I write both HC's (first) names on my own little card I prepare to track CRs and visits.

Perhaps this in an OBA or some other Canadian organization's requirement?



Just as there is no requirement that his name not be on the card, there is also no requirement that he sign it. If a "kerfuffle" should subsequently arise, the ONLY lineup cards that matter are the ones in MY possession - by rule.

Again, perhaps Canada does this differently.



I have NEVER "signed" a lineup card prior to distributing the copies. There is no reason to. (I do, in fact, "initial" the official lineup cards before returning them in the event of s suspended game.)



I concur. Good advice.



Of course! That is simply courteous.

JM

You're right and I'm wrong (imagine that :rolleyes:)

Didn't check my sources (you think a uni student would know better right?) and the line between habits drilled into me by our own procedures and the actual rules was blurred.

Post amended.

[yawetag]

I have NEVER "signed" a lineup card prior to distributing the copies. There is no reason to. (I do, in fact, "initial" the official lineup cards before returning them in the event of s suspended game.)

I've only been a part of one suspended game, and I took the lineup cards because I was the PU the next time the two teams were meeting.

Saying that, I would have never thought to give the lineup cards back to the coaches. I've never been instructed on what to do in these situations, but it makes sense. My thought was that I'd email the lineup details to my assignor, who would get the information to whomever finished the game.

[Dragon29]

You sound lazy!

Probably wouldn't have appeared so lazy if he had bothered to look up 'dyslexic'

[Wags]

Hey Fatump,

I think your Thread has unravelled a bit.

This is what I do. It works for me but it might not work for you.

Depending on the level of game and local rules when I look through the Line up cards at the plate meeting I'll ask both coaches if they have any other players NOT on the lineup that may come into the game.

I also check the numbers 1 thru 9. You would be surprised how many times in my Local League a coach will put they same number twice.

I do alot of Junior Games with multiple changes and Games with inexprierenced coaches and scorers.

After the plate meeting and quickly while the pitcher is warming up I'll number the bench players myself 10 thru whatever.

When a coach brings on a Bench player say # 11 into the # 4 spot I'll put a line thru the name of the #4 batter and put #11 with a circle around it at the end of the name. I'll also do the same where the bench players name is -put a # 4 after the # 11 name on the line up.

If # 13 replaces # 11 later then same thing, cross out # 11 and put # 13.

For Fielding changes I leave the position number as they are for the whole game.

If the coach moves fielders I use the back of the card or a space where there is room. If he moves say Short with first I'll just put the numbers 6 - 3 - 6 Multiple changes especially in kids games. 6-3-7-1 - 8-6

If I have time throughout any of this and know the details I'll put the innings as well T3 B5 whatever.

[CoachJM]

Wags,

Just out of curiosity, why do you bother to note any defensive position changes, other than F1, of course (and, in some leagues, F2) if they do not involve a lineup substitution?

I can't think of any possible reason to keep track.

JM

[Wags]

Wags,

Just out of curiosity, why do you bother to note any defensive position changes, other than F1, of course (and, in some leagues, F2) if they do not involve a lineup substitution?

I can't think of any possible reason to keep track.

JM

Now you say that for no other reason than it's a record of what has changed from the start of the game.

If I eject a player I want to make sure I get the right one on my report.

[yawetag]

If I eject a player I want to make sure I get the right one on my report.

Hopefully he has a number on his back. Also, when the coach has to replace him with someone, you say, "And he's coming in for #13 Smith, the SS in the 5-hole?"